Not much chat about Cameras.....

Submitted: Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:15
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I can't remember seeing much chat about cameras on this forum. I rekon my camera is a vital part of my camping kit and is vital to capturing those moments when our beloved 4by is teatering on the edge of its center of gravity.

I have just brought a new cannon XD250 Digital, 8 mega pixel and bloody love it.

Any takers on this thread???

Toytruck
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Reply By: 4wdNewbie - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:22

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:22
how big is the sd card on that? And how many photos can you store on it? Ive got a 6mp Olympus. Its not a bad camera, just has trouble focusing sometimes... you get the thing you focus on being all sweet and perty, but the background is aweful blurred at times. Still ill definately be takin it on my maiden 4wd adventure.
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Follow Up By: Member - Toytruck (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:26

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:26
4wdNewbie,
I brought a 2 Gb XD card which holds nearly 600 shots depending on the quality settings you use for example if I use RAW settings each shot can be up to 30mb. This camera is a Digital SLR not a point and shoot type so Ican play with apeture speeds, shutter speeds and a whole lot more. Ther are functions in this thing I will probably never use but its a lot of fun.

Toytruck
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Follow Up By: Camoco - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:27

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:27
Sounds like you have a small aperture lens (ie: large f-stop). To fix your problems here you need to make sure there is plenty of light and the subject is not too close.
You can use that as artistic feature if you compensate for it.

As far as numbers of images on a card. It's a bit like how far can you go on a tank of fuel. It all depends on the subject contrast and compression if all else is equal.

Cheers Cam
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Follow Up By: 4wdNewbie - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:30

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:30
Haha as they say Toytruck, "better to have and not need than to need and not have." And thanks Camoco, ill give that a try.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:55

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:55
you can change either the aperture or the shutter speed or both on a point and shoot these days as well as a host of other adjustments. Certainly my point and shoot is far more adjustable than my old Nikon Reflex SLR
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Follow Up By: greydemon - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 18:13

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 18:13
I think you have that the wrong way round Camoco. With a large aperure (small fstop like f1.8 or f2) the depth of field is very shallow so the background is blurred, which is often a very good thing, but not perhaps for holiday snaps where you want to show people where you were standing.

To get the background sharp you need a small aperture (large f stop like f16 upwards), which as you say needs either lots of light or fast filmspeed, which can be dialled in on the digital Canon in question, probably up to ISO 1600. Keeping to no more than ISO 400 is better but these days even ISO 800 isn't very grainy.

You can increase the depth of field even further by focussing at the hyperfocal distance, to find out more just stick 'hyperfocal' into your local friendly search engine. It's great for landscape shots.

Three tips for sharp shots ...use a tripod, use a tripod and use a tripod.

One tip for users of small digital cameras ... use the viewfinder. Only use the screen at the back for reviewing the shot after you have taken it, NEVER use it to frame and take the shot. Why not? Because you will get camera shake and your pictures will not be sharp. What do you do if your point and shoot doesn't have a viewfinder? Simple - give it to a five year old as a toy and buy a new one.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:29

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:29
Hey 4wd newbie,

I''m not really sure which Olympus camera you have but usually "problems focusing" is more the challenge of understanding how the focus works.

The camera uses sensors to look for vertical and/or horizontal lines in the image at the place where it is focusing (usually around the middle of the frame and indicated by red boxes in the viewfinder).

If the thing that it focuses on is not the intended focus, unless the subject is the same distance from the camera, the subject will be softer - how soft depends on how large the aperture is, the length of the lens, and the distance from the camera focused at (and for the inquisitive, the sensor size of your camera too).

Also, on higher end cameras there are different focusing modes - one for still and one for moving subjects, and sometimes some that try to work out whether the subject is still or moving. Using the wrong focusing mode can affect the focus.

Additionally, when you press the shutter button down half way, the camera focuses on what it thinks is the subject. This fixes the distance at which the camera is focused as long as you hold the shutter button down half way ... if you move, or if your subject moves, then it will no longer be at the correct distance from the camera.

Lastly, because point and shoot cameras have a lag time, the moving subject could move during the lag time (for instance closer to you) and so it becomes out of focus.

So get out there and practice, being sure to read the focusing pages of the manual.

And if you want some help, drop us a line.

Greydemon's tips are all pretty much on the ball. If you can't find a tripod, any firm base will do - mini-bean bag, the bonnet, a post etcetera.

Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: 4wdNewbie - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 23:38

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 23:38
Seems like there is alot more to takin that perfect snap that i first thought. :P Will have to get out there and give it a go. Might snap a few at cricket tommorow.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 13:28

Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 13:28
Beast of Bodmin's first tutorial on focusing is up on our blog ...
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Reply By: tomjones83 - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:23

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:23
good topic toytruck! we are still in the stoneage with the Nikon SLR. It is a magnificant camera though ;-) also have a $170 job kodak digital, by the time the damn thing fires up, i have driven up the hill forwards then done it again in reverse to make a point ;-)

will be buying a Nikon Digital SLR for our honeymoon in june... SWMBO is not letting me part with the funds until then :-(

cheers
tom
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Follow Up By: Member - Toytruck (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:28

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:28
tom,
yep the Cannon is an SLR and as I said I love it. Great for action shots as in sports mode it will rattle off about 4 shot per second, or thereabouts, great for capturing that moment of despair:-)

Toytruck
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Follow Up By: Camoco - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:34

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:34
Good choice Tom.

Don't let the newies convince you into thinking film is dead.

I own a lab and for us it is still very strong. Yes digital is getting very big but film hasn't actually slowed down in as far as digital has increased a lot.

I prefer Canon and Fuji gear myself but I have an S2pro which has Nikon lenses. I feel they are a "little" slower than the Canon gear but still fine gear. I shoot motorsport mainly and need the speed of a good lense, whereas our wedding photography we need the sharpness and clarity.

If you have a few lenses for your Nikon SLR there is no other smart choice than to keep with Nikon. The Nikon digital lenses are good and you'll find you will probably be buying some even though you have analogue lenses to cover that range. Good starting point though.

Cheers Cam
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:56

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:56
Hey Cam, you're film's not dead - have a look at my kits :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:58

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:58
Sorry, meant to say "you're right, film's not dead".

Fuji Velvia 50, Provia, etc (I still have K25 and 64, too!).
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Follow Up By: Member - Karl - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 16:54

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 16:54
So are you going to shows us the shots of the honeymon :-))
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Follow Up By: Tia Maria - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 17:27

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 17:27
Hi Tom,

What Nikon do you have? My trusty much loved and used FE2 hasn't been touched since I got the Nikon D50. Absolutely Fabulous. Just love being able to click away and then scrap most and just keep the best. I'm still getting used to it and finding new features every time I use it.

Yes this is a good forum.

John L.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:38

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:38
I think you're right John - many people have frustrations with the move to digital from film, but once they learn the new skills needed, by and large they do a lot more photography, and their photography improves from the practice and the immediate feedback.

Film still has a different quality about it - not necessarily that one is better than the other, but in terms of resolution and general colour reproduction, digital is leaving film for dead. The tonal range and particularly more gradual loss of highlight detail remain the domain of film, but skilled use of digital cameras can challenge even this ... it just remains for the camera vendors to make it easy for everyone.

It is interesting that with digital we have a sudden appreciation of how our work is improving because we are looking at detail that is the equivalent of a very high res scan of our work - something we rarely did with film.

I look back at my slides and wonder that I got away with as much as I did.

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:28

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:28
No chat on cameras????????
You have to be kiddin, try a search LMAO
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Follow Up By: Member - Toytruck (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:31

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:31
Truckster,
did that and most of the threads were about reversing cameras:-)....yep there was some chat but not a topic you see regularly. I don't think it's OT as I always have mine close by whilst up the bush.

Toytruck
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Follow Up By: tomjones83 - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:32

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:32
ease up turbo ;-)

there was a big cannon / nikon SLR debate a couple of months back.

i dont know about everyone else but it is friday arvo, i have worked way too hard this week and i am just surfin the net for the rest of the arvo (aside from phone calls). good subject for those who are just pining for that friday arvo ale!

cheers,
Tom
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Follow Up By: Member - Toytruck (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:36

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:36
Tom,
you have jsut said that word, now I'm all dry in the throat:-) I was trying to hold out another half hour or so but I think I'm gona have to head home...ave a good weekend all...

Toytruck
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:40

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:40
search for 300D, and see the dozen or so first threads listed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Toytruck (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:44

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:44
Truckster,
yes I did only search on cameras....Oh well. That ale is still going to taste good.....Geeez I can't stop thinking about it now, does that mean I have a problem??? No it must not, cos I admit I have a problem so if I admit it.....then I don't have a problem right:-)

Toytruck
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:51

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:51
come on now, your not saying anything bad about the outstanding, great, awesome, working functional search here are you??
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Reply By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:29

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:29
Okay Toytruck, my kit consists of:

Leica M6TTL
35mm Summicron
50mm Summicron

Canon 1V HS
300mm f/4 L
70-200mm f/2.8 L
20-35mm L
50mm 1.4
2x 550EX Speedlites

Bronica ETRsi
40mm f/2.8
75mm f/2.8
Metz 45CL

Oh, and a Sony Cybershot didgicam (wife's).

Seeya :)

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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:40

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:40
hmmm. 50mm Summicron ... nice. which one?
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:32

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:32
Gidday Andrew,

the 50mm Summicron is a 4th gen non-asph...and yeah, nice Bokeh :)
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:30

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:30
Bokeh - now you're talking ... I'm in the market for pre-loved wides ... and a NOCTILUX would be luverly.

For now when I want serious bokeh I have to live with my 85 f/1.2L

Cheers
Andrew who is pleased that Craig now has to explain to everyone what bokeh is.
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:03

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:03
Hey Andrew, ever tried an f/1.0 :) Canon have a doosy 50 f/1 :):) Cheaper than a Noct, too.

My 70-200 at 2.8 ain't half bad either.

Seeya.
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Reply By: Member - David A (QLD) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:35

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:35
Just bought a new toy for our central oz trip in april/may... Sony a100 DSLR... very nice - 10MP. Almost bought the Nikon D40, but went with something I was more liely to grow into rather than would want to upgrade in a years time.

Now, if I can just offload my other cameras to help recoup some of the cost...
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Follow Up By: Member - Toytruck (SA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:41

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 15:41
10MP......bloody heck. Bet it takes good shots.

Toytruck
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:44

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:44
David takes the shots Toytruck ;-)

A100 is a very nice little camera with the anti-dust and anti-shake features.

Don't expect much money from offloading your film cameras though David A ... might as well keep them to show the grandkids.
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 16:40

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 16:40
Have used Canon gear for a long time and find it really good. An EOS 30 with a range of Canon lenses has been the workhorse for quite a while. Recently bought a Canon 30D body and a 24 -105 f4 zoom with image stabiliser. The great thing is that all the lenses work with the new body. The IS lens is great if you are pushing with low light even though from memory you can set the 30D to =ASA1600 max and the pictures are still remarkably good.

Use about 10% of the smarts in both cameras, especially the 30D. Looking forward to having time to time to experiment and push it (myself).

My logic in staying with good Canon SLR gear seems to work as I have all the lenses to use with both bodies. Have an EX from years ago which was also good in its time but has not clicked it's shutter in years. Never been good at getting rid of things like cameras.

I think many of the members on her are serious/keen photographers and it combines really well with 4wd touring.

alastair
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:48

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:48
Nice points Alastair.

Certainly if you have Canon lenses upgrading to a Canon Digital SLR (and the same for Nikon) becomes an easier proposition.

With your 30D don't be too concerned about pushing it to even ISO 3200 - you'll find the results pretty good - here some taken with similar gear in really low light:

Low Light Article

It opens up a lot of possibilities - even touring, in caves, dark days, etcetera ...

Cheers
Andrew.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 06:21

Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 06:21
somI am told your reflex lenses change charcteristic when combined with DSLR I was told they gain zoom and lose wide angle when I equired about matching nikon FSLRwith DSLR
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 09:28

Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 09:28
Hi Davoe,

The lenses don't change, but because many Digital SLR cameras (pretty much the only exceptions today are the Canon 1D-series, and 5D series) have a sensor (for capturing the image) that is smaller than the image area of a normal 35mm film, only part of the field of view of the lens is being used.

So for most D-SLRs this results in a field of view equivalent to a lens that is 1.5 or 1.6 times (and for the Olympus E-500 2 times) the focal length.

The perspective, however, of the lens doesn't change.

Now, most D-SLRs come with a kit lens which is usually an 18-55 which is wider than most people used to have on film SLRs and so with the lenses they have already covering the mid-long zoom, and the new wide to mid-zoom, they are pretty well catered for.

Cheers
Andrew.
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Reply By: Member - Barry M (NSW) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 17:10

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 17:10
I have yet to go digi but bought the childbride a Canon XIUS 60 for recent birthday
& she loves it. We havent printed any hard copies yet but they look good as
screensavers.
My question is this, should I buy a Pentax Digi SLR & utilise my existing 35/80 &
100/300 lens, Pentax auto focus. I am very proud of some of my shots taken with
the old SFXN & these lenses. Should I expect as good or better with the digi body?
I know it will still be a bulky outfit but am happy to lump it around if results are
to my liking. I have been happy to watch the prices come down & will probably
not replace prior to an upcoming Kimberley foray but would welcome input from
the camera buffs on this forum...oldbaz.
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Reply By: Beast of Bodmin - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:43

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:43
Hi Toytruck,
Just to add my 10c worth.

I bought my current camera when l was in Japan. It's a Fuji S5000. That was back in Nov03, and it's now taken about 6000shots.
My main priority was that it had one of the best optical zooms of a 'compact' digi. I wasn't in the market for an SLR at the time.

This camera has been all over with me and has taken many great shots (for me). However my only criticsm is that it is crap when the light level drops even slightly, and wont autofocus.

Since buying it, Fuji have upgraded it twice and brought another level above it. My S5000 is only about 3Mpixel, but Fuji reckon by making the pixel a hexagon it has equivalence to double that. I cant comment.

I take this camera on all bush trips and it has survived many dusty tracks and the odd knock.
Now l'm wondering whether l'd better my photography output by moving to a DSLR. Having made some studies, the Nikon D80 and Canon EOS400D are on my shortlist - although l dont like the silver colour of the 400D.

I have a Canon 4000 printer. This gives me some fantastic quality 6x4 prints, that l have framed, shared etc. Shame cartridges are $125 a set, but they do come with about 100 sheets of photo glossy paper. Now on the 3rd cartridge set in a yr, reckon next time l'll buy a new printer as they are almost obsolete and only about $150 pre-xmas.

My camera dilemma is:
a. Can l justify the money as there's nothing wrong with the S5000.
b. Will l get better results in low light levels.
c. What lens do l need for good telephoto equiv to the x10. How close-up will this work to.
d. How robust are the camera lens combinations - knocks, dust, heat, etc
e. Will l have to travel with it in a 'pelican case' to avoid dust & knocks.
f. The D80 is available on ebay for about $900 body only. But high street is $1200. Is ebay ok for purchasing this high value equipment.

Anybody using the D80 or 400D? Feedback on your experiences and lens selection would be appreciated.

Lots of dilemmas to sort out while l save those pennies!
Cheers
BoB

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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:59

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:59
Hi there Beast of Bodmin

You can buy a Black 400D if you were wondering.

But to help with your dilemma:

a. depends on how discerning you will be and how much enjoyment you will get out of the better images ... if you only ever print as 6x4s without any editing or cropping, then you might not see much difference.

b. yes - in fact you will get results that are plainly impossible for the S5000 - see a post earlier in this thread that I made.

c. The S5000 has a lens that goes from 37-370mm using the equivalent field of view to a 35mm camera. This means that on the D80 or 400D you would need 23-230mm lens. You probably will find that you will need to have 2 lenses to cover the range - there is an 18-55 with both usually, and people tend to also get a 70-300 or similar. The typical lenses will focus down to about 28cm or so minimum focusing distance ... but at these short distances, unless you have lots of light and a good knowledge of macro photography, depth of field becomes an issue.

d. Probably not quite as resilient as the S5000 by virtue of their larger size but pretty similar. Dust is a problem ... at least for the D80, but the 400D has a sensor cleaning function which works real well.

e. No. I use a LowePro camera bag for all my gear, and I clean it often.

f. You need to make your own decisions about eBay - it is non-trivial, and one bad experience can cost you a lot if it's camera. Go somewhere you can get some good advice would be my recommendation ...

I often am using D80 and 400D and almost all cameras so ask away - I think they are both good choices and there is not much to set them apart. Liking the usability of them I would put at the top of my buying criteria.

Let me know where you are (andrew at vividadventures dot com dot au) and I can suggest some retailers to talk to.

Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Beast of Bodmin - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:05

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:05
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for the reply.
Without giving away too much info, l'd like to send you an example of a couple of pics l tried to take for comment.
One is mist on the Murray at dawn with the upcoming sun, the other is tree roots on the murray. Could l send these to your work email?

Other issues l have with the S5000 are trying to focus on things with no matter, like flames or the mist. And autofocus selecting to focus on a branch which is in front of a koala, making the koala slightly 'soft'.

Cheers
BoB
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:14

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:14
For sure ... send them through. This is work.

All we ask is for permission to publish the question and answer on our blog.

andrew at vividadventures dot com dot au

The way cameras focus is by looking for contrast - a dark edge up against a light edge - the more the difference between the dark and the light, the better the contrast and the easier it will find focusing.

The AF sensor is small, but even then, can often have more than just the subject - eg. the koala and the branch - the camera doesn't know that it is a furry critter and is the subject. It thinks you like Australian hardwood. The Australian hardwood also has a lovely line/edge - perhaps even vertical or horizontal, whereas koala is curved and fuzzy ... needless to say, the focal distance is set to the distance to the branch.

If you want to focus on amorphous things, or things without nice vertical or horizontal edges you have a number of options:

1. manual focus - as hard as buggery with point and shoot cameras, even the S5000
2. use the focus and reframe method - focus on something that is the distance from the camera that the flame or mist will be when you take the shot, and holding the shutter button half-way down, reframe the shot to put the subject the way you want it
3. use the hyperfocal distance - google that one - it needs a longer explanation ... basically focus on something far enough away (this depends on the subject being a long way away from the camera too).

Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Beast of Bodmin - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 23:24

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 23:24
Hi Andrew,
Took a while, but l have sent thro the full res pics l was mentioning.
The koala pic, l understand why that happened. However through the viewfinder it's hard to tell that a leaf is in the way as the mind is focussed on what is the real subject.

Hyperfocal...........I noticed on your www link to 'dof' website, so l'll take a look. Trouble is l probably won't remember it when needed.

Storage. I use a Lowe Alpine TLZ Mini bag for everything. Where did you get the fully waterproof backpak style bag on the website?
Thanks again
BoB
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 15:47

Saturday, Jan 20, 2007 at 15:47
Hi Duncan,

I've published the article on your fire and fog images ...

Site Link

Enjoy!
Andrew.
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Reply By: Member - SKI er (NSW) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:48

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:48
Hi Toytruck,

I will bite.

We were film people and then went to digital with a big "SLR type " which went to god on a special, long non camping trip but just before the Great Ocean Road section.

Long before its demise we had been peed off with "everywhere we went somewhere we had to cart an attache case size thing to carry the wretched thing to capture the magic moment.

After the "gone to god funeral service" I went into Harvey Norman at Mount Gambier and said I want one that fits in my shirt top pocket.

$600 for a Sony Cybershot. Best camera I have ever had although it could do with a viewinder to compliment its big LCD screen. The card is a big as you can afford. It shoots at 5mp max and I haven't ever needed more when it comes to printing. We usually shoot much lower down for our happy shots. The video capacity on the camera is better than my 5 year old specialist video camera and I say again the Cybershot "fits into a shirt top pocket."

Regards
SKI'er

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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:57

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:57
Anybody got good / bad comments about the Sony H5 ?

I am considering this camera as it has a large (3"), very bright display screen. I have trouble useing small viewfinders when wearing glasses so being able to use this viewing screen in bright sunlight seems to be great.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 21:07

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 21:07
At this level and class of camera, I think the decision usually comes down to handling and if you like the way it handles and the larger viewfinder for the sort of photography you do, then it is a good choice.

It is a very nice camera to handle with excellent movie capability.

All that aside, a camera shooting technique that doesn't use the big screen on the back (use the viewfinder) will give you much more stable camera, and usually better and sharper shots. You can adjust the diopter on the VF so you can use it without glasses, and getting into that habit, and out of the old "hold it out in front of you" should produce better results. (I am just reiterating what Alastair said before, essentially).

Cheers
Andrew.
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:06

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:06
Expect a lot more discussion about it now that Vivid Adventures has been elevated to the stellar status of sponsor ;-)

In my case the photography is the central thing in my touring - I just need a good truck to get me where I want to go a lot of the time.

My photography is done largely on Canon cameras like the 5D as well as some medium format cameras like the Holga to remind me of what photography is all about.

We run photography tours for people who want to improve their photography, who want to be in the right place at the right time for good photography, and who are happy to let photography drive the plans and activities.

If you want to see what we do, follow the link to our website, or visit Our New Blog to take a look at what we've been doing lately.

As always if you see us out and about, stop and say hello, and if you have any questions drop us an email ... there's a Digital Camera Buyer's Guide here: http://www.vividadventures.com.au/VAchecklist.pdf on our website if you're interested, as which camera to buy seems to be a common question here.

Cheers
Andrew.

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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:16

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:16
And while you lot are bragging on just how flash your cameras are and how many megapixels they have..................I take good pics with a Canon A60 2mp.

You don't need to break the bank to enjoy photography
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