OT - Now we can't fly the Aussie Flag!!

Submitted: Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 01:16
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What is going on in this country? Why are we giving in to these minority loonies!!

Jeezuz!!

Read this and cry,,,,,,,,,,,what did our Dad's fight for? Not this surely!!

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They should pull the pin on this lot NOW!!

Bilbo

Article reads:-

THE Australian flag has been banned from this year's Big Day Out in Sydney after organisers branded it a "gang colour" and symbol of hate.

Organisers of the Aussie rock festival at Homebush will confiscate any flag or bandana bearing the national symbol at the gate.

Labelling Sydney a hot bed of racism, producers of the Sydney Showground event said it will be the only city in the nationwide event to be subject to the draconian action.

Promoters have already moved the event from the traditional Australia Day gig to a day earlier to avoid nationalistic overtones.

Spooked by last year's event, which came only weeks after the Cronulla riots, organisers will outlaw flags being brandished as a "gang colour".

Prime Minister John Howard said the Big Day Out should be cancelled unless organisers reversed their decision to ban the flag. Big Day Out patrons were intimidated and harassed at the Sydney event on Australia Day 2006 by bigoted fans brandishing flags and demanding people pledge their allegiance.

Event producer Ken West said the use of flags last year after the Cronulla riots and recent clashes between Serb and Croatian fans at the Australian Open tennis had forced his hand.

"I didn't like the behaviour of last year and we have moved the event from Australia Day this year partly because of the way the flags were used," Mr West said.

"The Australian flag was being used as gang colours. It was racism disguised as patriotism and I'm not going to tolerate it.

"I am telling people not to bring flags - they are free to get them out at midnight on their way home when it is Australia Day."

Gangs use colours and symbols to distinguish them from rival groups.

Mr West added the ban was also in part trying to be respectful to the Aboriginal community, who view Australia Day as invasion day.

"This is about giving people the opportunity to think about it and what the flag means to them," he said.

Premier Morris Iemma reacted angrily to the ban, claiming the promotors should "reverse their decision immediately".

"If they pulled this on Independence Day in the US, imagine what would happen. It's just ridiculous," he said.

"It is a ridiculous decision and I never thought I'd see the day when a promoter would ask young Australian people to celebrate Australian artists but not identify with their national flag."

Mainstream headline act Jet have a black and white version of the flag as the backdrop for their set.

Frontman Nic Cester said they used this version to display their pride in being Australian.

"I can't tell anyone else what to do but we as a band are very proud to be Australian and we don't want to feel we are not allowed to feel proud because of the disgusting actions of people who don't represent Australia, in my mind," he said.

The ban will be announced on the Big Day Out website this week.

Security staff will not search bags specifically but will be told to stop people from wearing a flag or Australian bandana.

The Big Day Out will be the first event ever to ban the national symbol.
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Reply By: ozdragon - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 01:54

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 01:54
I am getting so sick and tired of this crap. We are Australians. Yes we are multi-cultural but for gods sake this is AUSTRALIA.

We should have the right to show our patriotism without prejudice. If anyone has a problem with us waving our flags, wearing aussie bandanas, wearing our aussie clothing then they should be the ones removed from the event. I am a proud aussie and I have the right to show my patriotism as long as it is not hurting anyone else. I people of other nationalities dont like it then P@ss off back where you came from.

Sheesh this gets up my nose.

Peter (aussie born, bred and raised and bloody proud of it)
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Follow Up By: DIO - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:19

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:19
What country did your ancestors come from?
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:38

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:38
The flag wasn't banned from the big day out. People were simply asked to refrain from bringing them.

I'm sure our fathers and grandfathers who fought for this country would be outraged to learn that a bunch of boozed up yobos use the flag as an excuse to throw beer and abuse others at this event.

A party full of alcohol and drugs is no place for our flag in my opnion.

R.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:39

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:39
Yeah.... I upgraded my flags on the surf because of this, I'm just worried about causing racial tention....... (what aload of crap!!)


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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:50

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:50
Jeff

..and that's how our flag should be displayed. Not warn as a cape, dragged through mud, used as something to sit on, stained with beer and vomit, or used to flick passers by...

I think anyone taking our flag to the big day out has no respect for it, and hence I would question their motives for taking it.

BTW. The big day out is NOT on Australia Day as the media would have you believe.
www.bigdayout.com/cities/sydney.php

This is a bigger media beat up then bullbars on big bad 4wd's. All designed to sell papers.
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Reply By: Member - BUNDY BOY (WA) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:40

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:40
i agree if they dont like it .....p-----. off.

Australia- The Right to Leave

Our Country - YOU Have the right - the right to leave !

After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights.or flying.the aussie flag..

After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered.

This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen. Published in an Australian newspaper.

Quote:

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It !
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.

However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.

This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, Learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God is part of our culture.

If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, And we really don't care how you did things where you came from.

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage
you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

"THE RIGHT TO LEAVE"

If you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.

No matter how many times you receive it...
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Follow Up By: Member - John R (NSW) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:18

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:18
QUOTE: "In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God is part of our culture.

I've never seen "In God we trust" written anywhere in Australia. And certainly not in any schools I've been to. That is a Septic slogan printed on their currency, among other places. :-) Probably a cut and paste from some American publication :-)

I agree with most of the quote otherwise. Yes I'm Christian and we had our lights and deco's out for Christmas (in Sydney). I better get out and pull 'em down for next year. Hope it doesn't hit 43 again today! :-))
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 00:53

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 00:53
BUNDY BOY Hi

Did you copy this off Doug & Dusty's Home Page? or off a news site?

I thought Doug wrote it (again no name at the bottom) so could be made up?

Maybe you need to have another look at the site it has been updated,,

members.westnet.com.au/dtilley/australia2.htm

Regards

Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - BUNDY BOY (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 12:46

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 12:46
hi there Richard ......no i didn't copy it from Dougs site...it was sent to me from a friend ...after the cronulla...riots.a time back....but thought it as prudent now as it was then
Cheers..Bundy
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:04

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:04
Thanks

Richard
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Reply By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 03:49

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 03:49
Mate, I read your post.
I found the information presented very disturbing.
As a grunt from the American war in Viet Nam, my personal wish is that all Bigots, Fundamentalists, and mercurially STUPID politicians (Are you listening, Little John?), could enjoy 2 things:
1. A Contact. Quite easy, really. Some luck. LOTSA training. Few dustoffs.
2.A street level interaction with the people of Sai Gon. Bits missing, bits distorted, all good fun. I stop. jh.
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Follow Up By: Old Nick - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 05:59

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 05:59
As an ex-nasho from the same era I don't care what any pollie says in my opinion multiculturism will ONLY work with Christian and moderate religions, never with the one the pollies are wrecking Australia with by sitting on the fence with trying to reap votes from both sides.
Let Pauline Hanson have another go- I'll bet a lot of us (including myself) will vote a bit different next time, before we lose every thing our fathers and grandfathers fought for.

Not 4x4- but we WON'T have a country to 4x4 in if our citizens don't get their sh#! together quick and start to knock on pollies doors and not vote for the so called do-gooders .

Am I right ? or a red neck!! Tell me.
Regards Nick.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 06:57

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 06:57
Hi Old Nick, you asked whether you are a bit of a Red Neck.

5 years ago I ( and plenty of others ) would have said yes but these days I couldn’t agree more with you.

It’s time our politicians got their A'holes off the fence and started standing up for Australians instead of continually crawling up the backside of these extremist ethnic groups, hoping to get votes. They are now likely to loose more Australian votes especially if Pauline runs again.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 17:16

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 17:16
You just have to have a look at the trouble-spots in the world.
Leaving out Iraq which Bush started. The trouble spots all involve certain religious zealots with ideals that contradict those of their host nations. What masquerades as a religion is in fact a political movement designed to divide nations then conquer them. These bastards know our laws better than we do and use them to subdue us via the courts. Slobodan Milosevik (sp) was a hero in my view, he was just trying to save his country. If he hadn't died (been bumped off) I was going to lobby to get him in as Premier here in NSW...... He and Pauline could have been quite a team at the Federal Level too .....

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Reply By: Member - len W (NSW) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 06:12

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 06:12
my flag is up
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Reply By: Cruiserman1961 (QLD) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:11

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:11
What about we organise our own Australia day? Where the Aussie flag, eating pork chops and drinking beer is compulsary! No tea towels or bags on your head either. Gee, let the do-gooders have their minority day by themselfes. Drink tea and munch mueslie ya bloody airheads!!!!!
I am proud to be an Australian and will fly the flag whenever I want!
Cheers, Cruiserman
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:44

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:44
Don't forget the wearing of thongs either.................... the one on ya feet I mean.
LOL
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:06

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:06
And budgie Smugglers?
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:00

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:00
So long as you're Budgie Smugglers have an Aussie flag on em why not?
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Reply By: 4Harves- Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:53

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:53
I am proud to be an Australian and fly the Flag flys 365 days a year!

What do these Pr#%ks want next. To tell us we cant fly the flag on Australia Day?

Aussie And Proud!!!
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Reply By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:57

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:57
Has a present serving member of the Australian Defence Force for the past 17 years this is a decision that I can't fathom? This is a flag/symbol that all Australian from any background should be able to fly at any time at any stage with pride....Many great Australian have fought and died giving use the right to democracy, freedom of choice and the good old Australian way of life and all this all happened under this symbol......Maybe the decision should be anyone causing or provoking any form of anti-social behaviour should be thrown out or dealt with by the authorities and not just ban the National symbol....Maybe these clowns should be drafted into the service to reinforce some National pride and patriotism....We has a country are getting way too soft.........
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Reply By: handy - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:00

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:00
next there will be no national anthem at sporting events
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:25

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:25
I wonder how you'd go telling Iranians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Serbs, Croats,or whoever else that they can't fly their own flag in their own country.

Start of WW3 I would imagine.

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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 21:25

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 21:25
Troppo,

",,,,,,,,,,I wonder how you'd go telling Iranians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Serbs, Croats,or whoever else that they can't fly their own flag in their own country.,,,,,,,"

How would ya go telling,"Iranians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Serbs, Croats" that they can't fly it in this one!!

Ya'd get slaughtered!

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 21:41

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 21:41
Didn't they tell the "Serbs, Croats" not to take there flags to the ozie open?
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 08:45

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 08:45
Bilbo

Good point!
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Follow Up By: Den. - Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 07:41

Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 07:41
Here in Canada our national anthem was CHANGED because the feminists said it was sexist! "Our son's command" was changed to I believe "Son's and daughter's command" or something. The Lord's prayer is banned in our schools and this week there's been a move from our immigrant community that they want it removed from Government Council chambers as it offends them!!!!

At Christmas we had a judge remove a Christmas tree from a courthouse because she felt it was "offensive" yet wanted other cultuers' holiday decprations put up! Ironically the leader of our Muslim community said he found HER (The judge) offensive by what she did as he had no problem with Canadians celebrating a canadian tradition! Even our Premier took a potshot at her.

She still refused to budge. White middle class white feminist who doesn't realize she's actually INCITING hatred rather than stopping it as the people who genuinely ARE "racist" would take it out on our "visible minoritys", not her!

I wish you the best of luck an Australia's stand on Political Correctness as it has DESTROYED Canada and we no longer even HAVE a culture! We're too busy fighting over who gets to decide what it IS!!

Den.
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Reply By: NicI - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:19

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:19
Gentlemen, perhaps you missed the only real sentence of import in the piece: "Big Day Out patrons were intimidated and harassed at the Sydney event on Australia Day 2006 by bigoted fans brandishing flags and demanding people pledge their allegiance."

Nobody should be harrassed like this when simply trying to enjoy themselves at a concert. The flag here is not the issue, it is harrassment and intimidation of any kind. Would you want to be forced to say something (anything) to a bunch of loudmouths who get their kicks from bullying others ? By all means fly and carry flags, but don't use that as a thin excuse to behave badly toward others.

You don't have to display a flag to demonstrate loyalty or allegiance - it should be in your heart.

As for what to do about this type of ratbag behaviour - I have no idea, but I for one don't attend events where testosterone, alcohol, and immaturity can lead to this sort of self-important mob behaviour.

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Follow Up By: Hairy - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:50

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:50
Wouldnt it make more sense for security to throw the bullies out?
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Follow Up By: revhead307 - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:20

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:20
Exactly right Hairy,

Its a security issue, whether there are idiots of any kind intimidating/harrassing others.

The Flag is our national symbol and should be able to be shown freely and with pride. Any idea to ban for any reason (especially those stated) is ludacris.

I am a crowd control/security officer in WA, and I will be working at the Big Day Out in Perth on 4th Feb. Yes there are lots of drunken idiots, but they only ever make up a percentage of the crowd.

Jeff

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Follow Up By: 4wdNewbie - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:14

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:14
Security and managements first job is to avoid situations that compromise the safety of attendees, then if such a situation arises, their second job is to diffuse it. This may be throwing out the bullies, but right now they are trying to get rid of the issue.
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Follow Up By: 4wdNewbie - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:15

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:15
Sorry, last line should read... ", but right now they are trying to avoid the situation"
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:25

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:25
I think the bullies will still go with or without their flags. Only now they will be claiming to have a reason to hang shiit on different races.
Cheers
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:33

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:33
Who really cares what happens at the Big Day Out in Sydney?

Take your flags with you and enjoy the great outdoors, surely, if you don't like what happens at the BDO.
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Reply By: Member - Reiner G (QLD) 4124 - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:53

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:53
I came to Australia in 1983 and this is my home now. I love the country and I love the people. Australians have achived so much in the last 200 years and still do. Why would you let anybody tell you what you can or can't do with our flag?
I will fly the Australian Flag and take some spares....What are they going to do?? arrest my for flying the Australian Flag ????
I will take my chances
Have a wonderful Australia Day everybody.
cheers
Reiner
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Reply By: mfewster - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:02

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:02
Just what relevance has this thread to do with 4WDing?
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Follow Up By: ImEasy - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:18

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:18
Um, the Post Heading started with OT (Off Topic), so I would presume before reading this post, that it would have NO relavance to 4WDing at all.
Makes sense to me!
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:09

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:09
!MPG:5!

(Available from Vietnam Vets web shop)
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:01

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:01
Yeah, I've got 2 on the back of the Jack...
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 21:53

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 21:53
Yes and that sort of thing stuff up another thread just like this one...

You people just don't understand do you..

as you said above Mr Fawlty whats this got to do with 4WDing Nothing at all its just good some times to air some dirty linen ...BUT then out of the woodwork come the

"IF YOU DON'T LOVE IT LEAVE"

well stone the crows here we go again

this time I will print a copy of the thread before its deleted

Regards

Richard Kovac

ps. that's not bad for me the only thing I spelt wrong was Fawlty...LOL

:~)
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 00:06

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 00:06
sorry Mr Fawlty

its had nothing to do with you Sorry

mfewster made the comment about 4WD

Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 09:11

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 09:11
And just what is it I don't understand, Richard?

I don't give a rat's where you come from. Heck, I'm from overseas myself (Tasmania ;-))
If you choose to live in this country you should adopt the values of this country. If you don't wish to do that, LEAVE!

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 14:18

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 14:18
MrBitchi

Now you know that's crap..

and what are the countrys values????

Born in Victoria you no the mainland just above Tasmania... :-)

I'm white, a salvo by berth, speak english, have a tattoo of the Australian flag on my right shoulder, have a large Australian flag in my shed...(very sort hair and I wear work BOOTs all the time)...

who the bleep are you MrBitchi were that name come from, it doest sound Australian?

maybe you need to leave

maybe it should say if you don't like it leave

LOVE is a bit gay isn't it?

Have a nice day

Richard Kovac
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 14:52

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 14:52
Well if all you can do is rant and name call..

And since when has the word LOVE meant gay???

End of discussion
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 15:38

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 15:38
Come on John,

I did not say that please reread it

and what names where called?

By

Richard Kovac
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 19:21

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 19:21
LOL are you still whinging Richard? Just register another complaint with the moderator like usual.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 21:01

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 21:01
Hi Gramps

whats the like usual mean???

I think it was you who posted the Vet flag last time?

Not Whinging just, as a Fabian I know it will only take time....LOL

[:{) regards

Richard
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 21:19

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 21:19
Richard,

Nothing wrong with your memory. Yep, I posted it last time and I think your comments were about the same. Deja vu :)))

I don't see a problem with it. It expresses exactly how I and a lot of others feel about the current situation. If our society is so fragile that it cannot handle simple expressions like that then we're in a very bad way. All the political correctness in the world cannot paper over obvious inequities and discrimination.

Remember, you don't have to be in a minority to be discriminated against or at least have that perception.

As other posters have pointed out, we're ALL in this together whether we're black, brown, white, yellow, Christian, Muslim, whatever. As long as we're all happy to be HERE and working to make this country a better place for ourselves, our countrymen and our children, we have absolutely nothing to fear or be ashamed of.

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 23:22

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 23:22
Al

That's all cool
I see where your coming from, but the problem is as I see it is,

If you don't like it then leave! now that not very democratic (as I see It) what because someone has a different view them you have there wrong?

Please remember I'm using the word YOU as in the royal WE..

The flag should be used as it was intended for, a sign of a nation, not as a colour on the backs of ... I don't know maybe time to give up..

Richard Kovac
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 23:47

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 23:47
Richard,

"not as a colour on the backs of ..." - Surprise, we agree. The far, far, far Right can f.......... off as far as I am concerned.

My interpretation of it is, if you (and that's the Royal YOU) don't like this country's morals, standards, customs, laws, religions, people, institutions, history, etc etc what are you doing here? Why not go somewhere more suited to your requirements?

That is about as democratic as you can get. Nobody's saying they're wrong. Just piss off and leave us alone hahahahahahah (could'nt resist it)

Really, this country has got to be THE most tolerant and generous in the world. If anyone can name ONE country that is significantly better than Australia in it's openness and willingness to accept immigrants, go for it. But be prepared for some home truths you may not necessarily be aware of in regards to your 'Utopia'.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 00:22

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 00:22
Al cool again

But I'm a Victorian living in Western Australian (did you know why they called it Western Australian? (they didn't know how to spell Western Victoria)) LOL..:-(

I don't like the Eagles (football team LOL)
and I'm told IF YOU DON'T LIKE it LEAVE.. so what if.. same same..

The colour on the the back are a real worry, the youth I don't think under stand what they are doing,, me thinks us adults we should be setting an example not encourage them, we need to make them think, not just believe in the same thing we believe (that's a royal WE) (I feel better now LOL ..)..

Sorry to Member - MrBitchi (QLD) as he has to read this crap also ;~(

as he said above "If you choose to live in this country you should adopt the values of this country. If you don't wish to do that, LEAVE!"
I didn't have a choice I was born here and have every RIGHT to think and believe the way I want within or beyond the laws of this land. that's is wait makes this county great... in my humble opinion

Richard

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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:17

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:17
This post is irrelevant to this forum. If you want to read it about it, buy a newspaper.
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Reply By: luggy - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:17

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:17
God Bless our Anzacs, they would turn in their graves,
Load em all up on the first ship out of ere, (straight to Iraq) then they might appreciate this GREAT COUNTRY,
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Follow Up By: Redback - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:07

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:07
The ANZACs didn't fight under our currant flag they fought under the Union Jack or the red ensign.

But i get your point.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 22:08

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 22:08
Well......actually the white ensign from the RAN's inception in 1911 until 1967 when the Australian white ensign was adopted.
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Reply By: Member - qld_bushpig - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:34

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:34
I'm a Viet- Vet and I am sick of all the pandering to one specific minority. We are a country of 20.5 million and yet we let a SMALL minority of 150,000 dictate to us on how we should or should not live our lives. No Christmas Decos, No Hot Cross buns... etc What a lot of crap. There is only one group that practices racisim in this country and it is not the Christians. I know why we pander to this small minority, its because they have no regard for anyone elses viewpoint or belief and if we don't like their Number One then they will use their bleep suicide degenerates to inflict terror.

Exponge them from our shores. I did not risk my life to be stood over by there religious fanatics. F#*Kem off out of our country.
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:36

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:36
For a more realistic response - minus the emotive comments - have a look at this report. I think (for once) a politician has got it right.... ABC News Report
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Follow Up By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:45

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:45
DIO,

I see you have posted that this is irrelevant on a 4wd forum and yes your probably right but to then add posts to the discussion is a little hypocritical????? Just an observation and not an attack on you in anyway........
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Follow Up By: turbopete - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:15

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:15
and what will Iemma say when the situation is out of control,,will he blame the police,the security guards,, the ethnic australians,,, the australians ,,, pigs arse he will crawl under a rock as has been said here already the BDO is a drunk/drug festival
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Reply By: Wayne-o - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:57

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:57
I have had enough of this political kiss kiss. Everyone that is not Australian in Australia is entitled to do as they please when they want, and how......all except for the AUSSIES, only in fear of upsetting our immigrant neighbours. Our girls can't wear bikinis because it upsetts a particular culture, we can go to certain parts of our cities because they are over run with gangs and cultural groups. We are imprissoned in our own country!! We have lost our freedom of speech and our right to be Australian, and why?? Because it upsets the rest of the world. You know what, F__K em!! If they don't like it, LEAVE.........Don't let the door hit you in the back on the way out!!

Our grandfathers trial, tribulations, and blood sweat and tear went into securing our freedom as a nation, and as induviduals....We are Australia, not AMERICA!!!

MY FLAG WILL BE FLYING HIGH AS EVER FOR ALL TO SEE

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE

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Follow Up By: ImEasy - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:23

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:23
Oi Oi Oi
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Reply By: obee - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:22

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:22
Where the trouble makers are concerned, the old saying that "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" has some truth. I respect the wish to wave our flag but I wonder sometimes at the motivation of some people. With some people it's like "I'm ok, where's YOUR flag!"

Heading off to Vietnam again this week. Wish I could take the Hilux with me.

Owen

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Follow Up By: T-Ribby - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:00

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:00
Give my regards to Saigon (I don't care what the commies call it) and Vung-Tau by the sea.
Terry R.
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Reply By: turbopete - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:41

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:41
"The Australian flag was being used as gang colours. It was RACISM disguised as PATRIOTISM and I'm not going to tolerate it."

The promoter of BDO said the above and is probably true and thats shameful for those that it applies to....I also think the promoter dosent want a debacle at the BDO...he is between a rock and a hard place. PETER
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:09

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:09
Simple, cancel it. problem solved.
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 13:34

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 13:34
"Cancel it"

Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Follow Up By: Old Nick - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 19:55

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 19:55
Cancel them all- Their only drug dealers markets.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:47

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:47
Jeez fellas, what will your kids think of you when they know it was you that cancelled their big events. I know you are talking about the flag issue, but cars kill people so lets ban cars. The event isn't the problem.
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 12:24

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 12:24
Bigger issues at stake here. It's good weather for becoming indignant about an issue, and by jove sir.....that's what I'm going to do.
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Reply By: turbopete - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:23

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:23
The problem isnt solved,,,,,the racists have won
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:27

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:27
So ban the flag... ? Who wins?
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Reply By: 4wdNewbie - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:33

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:33
Big Day Out is an occasion that lends itself towards voilence. Booze, Heat, and moshing is enough to make ya wanna belt the person next to ya. I think the organisers see this and are weighing up the bad publicity they got from the flags against the possibility of massive scale race riots, where you cant really escape as you are fenced in (which means it will get very ugly). If these riots occured, i dare say it would be the end of Big Day Out. I mean how hard is it to sneak sharp pointed objects in, and if someone was killed this year, how many would go back next year?

Anand.

P.s. I hate threads like these... all they achieve (IMO) is havin a bash at the minorities in Australia...
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Follow Up By: mike w (WA) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:21

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:21
Agree,

however the only reason we have these so called 'minorities' is because we alow them to be called so. Think of everyone as equals, not lesser, nor greater.
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 17:46

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 17:46
Spot on Mike w......
If our immigrant brothers and sisters became wholly Australian in spirit when they mouthed the words of allegiance to Australia then there wouldn't be any minorities would there?
If they didn't maintain their old hatreds from their previous life and inflict them on us who open our home to them.
If they didn't cry RACISM every time I say "bless you" to someone who sneezes, or say Merry Christmas...as is our custom.
If they wouldn't point out their cultural, religious or other differences which causes them to be seen as different they wouldn't be a minority.
If they didn't play the racist card to avoid the law when they are found to be doing the wrong thing...
If they didn't hide behind their race, religion and culture so that the law could treat them the same as it does a white Aussie......they wouldn't be a minority...

Being a minority is mostly a self-inflicted thing.
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:35

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:35
When I read all these posts I am reminded of what a powerful tool nationalism is and how dangerous that tool can be , when wielded and abused by politicians .

Over-the-top nationalism is scary . It makes people act irrationally .

I am an Australian , I would fight to repel any invader and I honour any person who has done so in the past . I limit my nationalalistic ardour to that and I limit our politician's power by doing so .

You should all have a think about it , after all , who likes to be manipulated .

Now I shall just sit back and wait for all the flack from the flag wavers .

Willie

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Reply By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 13:35

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 13:35
Unfortunately I think they have made things a lot worse, there will be more people flying/wearing the Autralian flag than there would have been if nothing was said, and there will most probably be a few just waiting for someone to tell them they can't!!

And there will be people that won't be able to stop themselves from telling people they can't show the flag!

Sadly I think they have a recipe for disaster now!!!!

Sandy
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:07

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:07
You got in before me while I was posting my reply Sandy.......unfortunately you're absolutely spot on.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:06

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:06
If the Federal, State or Local Government politicians don't have the ticker to demand the right of Australians to fly the national standard, especially on what is considered a traditional Australia Day festival, the public should take it into their own hands.

A simple web site containing the official press release from Ken West should be released along with a list of all the bands as well the suppliers contact details to the event. This would circulate like wildfire around Australia and the word 'BOYCOTT' is the key here.

A brief proforma letter where the sender makes a pledge to boycott the supplier could be included which everyone could put their name to. After a few hundred thousand of them I'm sure the event will no longer have a security company or a transport company or some of the bands or some other essential requirement for the show to go on.

This cancer of this kind of spineless toadying must be stopped. This is Australia.

The other point I wish to raise is that by Mr Ken West taking this action, I think he's doomed the event to being exactly what he didn't want. A RIOT. I know for a fact if I had a dozen cans in me on a hot day and a security guard tried taking an Aussie flag off me on Australia Day because he declared it a 'symbol of hate' he'd have an all out battle on his hands. He'd probably get it off me but where does he go then? I'd be making a stink and the crowd would step in - believe me. 1,000 security and 50,000 crowd = riot. If you were a security guard would you try taking Aussie flags off bleep Aussies for $16.50 an hour? I'd be chucking a sickie that day.

Watch what happens......
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:09

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 14:09
Cancel it. Safest option now IMHO.
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Follow Up By: 4wdNewbie - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:23

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:23
To pull an event that big, 4 days out would surely bankrupt all but the richest... I think BDO management is commited, banning the flag or not, there was always gonna be trouble. Next step i dare say is banning alcohol... and who wins then? I say keep the flags, just ban religion... (I hope the pope doesnt frequent these forums :P)
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Reply By: Dave Thomson - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 15:04

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 15:04
Have to say the worse part of a thread like this is if you have an opion on it {and we ALL do } then your branded racist or foriegner the fact is our governments are selling out our culture and whole way of life to appease countries that follow a religion that is not our making or choice, fact, we went to the U.K. last year where Islam v Christianity dominates the news daily {they too have had a gutfull} on day one an illegal immigrant driving a car overtook a truck on the wrong side of the road ploughed into the oncoming car put a mother of 3 in a wheelchair for life and got fined 45 quid, same day in Scotland a guy was revving his car excessivley as a Muslim couple walked by and they LOCKED him up for 48 hours !!! do you see what I'm getting at ? it's like our own governments are turning on thier own kind, this IS australia and if it's not for you then leave, you are free to chose, the beauty of democrasy.............................
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Reply By: Phillipn - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 15:15

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 15:15
Bring back Pauline Hanson, she had the right idea, but the b******* put her in jail.

Now the government is bowing to these weasels.

As other have said send them back to where they came from.

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Follow Up By: mike w (WA) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 16:34

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 16:34
>Now the government is bowing to these weasels.

quite the contrary Phillipn, both leaders of the goverment and the opposition have condemned this decision, and are looking at options to have this decision by the BDO oveerturned.

I can see what the BDO was trying to do, by trying to find a way to minimise any possible violence etc at their event, as so many people go to these events to have a good time. However, discouraging the australian flag was not the best option. Did they ban the scottich flag, the English, South african, Lebanese, Tasmanian flags?? Perhaps they should be banning those that use flags (colours or whatever they term it now) to incite racial hatred and violence, and allow those that use it for the right reasons, rather than an all out blanket ban on the use of the flag to continue having a good time. Its not the flag that is the real issue, its the people using it. What this has done, IMHO, has fuelled more hatred amongst this small band of 'activists', and now, regardless of whether they have a flag or not, will still want to incite violence etc. I know if I was told that i am not allowed to fly my colours (be it in australia, new Zealand, tasmania, etc), I would be pretty annoyed and looking for a way to vent some frustration and anger.

The whole reason, IMHO, why there is so much of this racial segregation, classification of minority groups etc, is because we, as a nation, do so. We refer to some people as being part of a minority group. Are they? Can they not be equals, rather than being classed as a 'lesser race.' We each have two legs, two arms and a heart beat (no offence intended to those that dont LOL)
There are good and bad on all parts, beit christian, muslim, jew, kiwi etc. Its time we all forget each others differences, embrace one another for the people that we are, not our religions, beleifs, hair colour etc, and accept that we are all australian. (easier said than done) It will take hrd work by all parties. Yes we may each have different religious beleives, cultures etc, but thats what makes australia such a unique, dynamic and interesting place to live. We can have all these different experiences and influences, and not even have to leave our suburb!

BDO Bad call, should have been dealt with differently.

My whinge, putting soap box back in the cupboard
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:28

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:28
A sensible, balanced post on political issues on ExplorOz - we should have it framed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 19:26

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 19:26
Scary
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Follow Up By: mike w (WA) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 22:06

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 22:06
Im sorry, I dont know what came over me

Off to get a beer from the engel ;)
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 16:13

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 16:13
But wait there is more, to add insult to injury the Thick Sheik has just announced that he will be announcing his intentions re the NSW elections on "Australia Day". Someone has to take this cretin out....
Believe me the Aussie Flag will fly proudly at my place also I will be playing rousing patriotic music all day including this well remembered one...

THE SONG OF AUSTRALIA
There is a land where summer skies
Are gleaming with a thousand dyes,
Blending in witching harmonies, in harmonies;
And grassy knoll, and forest height,
Are flushing in the rosy light,
And all above in azure bright -
Australia!

There is a land where honey flows,
Where laughing corn luxuriant grows,
Land of the myrtle and the rose,
On hill and plain the clust'ring vine,
Is gushing out with purple wine,
And cups are quaffed to thee and thine -
Australia!

There is a land where treasures shine
Deep in the dark unfathomed mine,
For worshippers at Mammon's shrine,
Where gold lies hid, and rubies gleam,
And fabled wealth no more doth seem
The idle fancy of a dream -
Australia!

There is a land where homesteads peep
From sunny plain and woodland steep,
And love and joy bright vigils keep,
Where the glad voice of childish glee
Is mingling with the melody
For nature's hidden minstrelsy -
Australia!

There is a land where, floating free,
From mountain top to girdling sea,
A proud flag waves exultingly,
And freedom's sons the banner bear,
No shackled slave can breathe the air,
Fairest of Britain's daughters fair -
Australia!
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:32

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 17:32
>Where gold lies hid

It damn well does from me! That's the truth Fawlty! :)

Nevertheless I'm back off out there tomorrow for a few days hoping to find the yellow metal.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 19:28

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 19:28
Mike ,
Do you ever take "new Chums" ?
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:05

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:05
Sure do Willie :)

It's all about helping other people out - if you're down Victoria way give me a shout.

Mike Harding

mike_harding@fastmail.fm
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:07

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:07
Mike, I have some - made into coins though at the Perth mint. I'm told they would be worth more as nuggets....
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:56

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:56
If you could see your way clear to sprinkling a few around the Avoca region over the next few days...?

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Follow Up By: 4wdNewbie - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 23:16

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 23:16
I thought the Australian song was land down under...
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Reply By: Member - Mary W (VIC) - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:57

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 20:57
Aren't we all getting a bit staged managed by the media.What great publicity!!
The Aus flag is able to be displayed at whim in this country!!
"I get on really well with GOD it's just his bloody fan clubs I can't stand"
Cheers,Mary
"Some people walk in the rain,others just get wet."

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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 12:59

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 12:59
Mary, a woman of my own heart... You single & looking by any chance?
Your post made my day!
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Reply By: Bilbo - Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 22:01

Monday, Jan 22, 2007 at 22:01
If we want to get this topic off this forum and deliver it to where it belongs,,,,,,,,try here,,,,,

Site Link

There's 73 pages of threads about this lot!!

Should provide ample spleen venting,,,,,,,,

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 00:16

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 00:16
I think it is good that the young have a say and a talk about things I like this..

Should build a better nation for them, I just hope there are a through thinkers among them..

Richard

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Reply By: Barnesy - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 00:12

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 00:12
To be honest I don't care where you come from, what race you are, what religion you are or where your ancestors came from. This is Australia and I don't want stupid bloody racial or gang fights in MY country.

Anyone who incites this sort of stuff, white, brown, yellow, or whatever colour they are can bugger off.

Barnesy
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 13:02

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 13:02
Thank you Barnesy HEAR HEAR!!!!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 21:08

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 21:08
>> they can bugger off.

Wouldnt it be nice if they did, or the cops and authorities DID something about it when they do this sort of crap.

EG The tennis - dont stop, straight to airport, throw them in a plane out of here. who cares where to.
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Follow Up By: mfewster - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:30

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:30
Sigh. I originally posted saying we shouldn't post on this sort of topic on this site, in fact I think the moderators had reasonably requested us not to do this. But I have been following the discussion.

Truckster, the problem at BDO was the mob running around targetting non anglo looking audience and then making them kiss the Oz flag and thumping them if they didn't. Where would you send these to?
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 10:34

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 10:34
I like that. The English tabloids would love this.

"Australia sends convicts to England"
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:37

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:37
You lot are all like Victor Laslo, remember him the ULTIMATE patriot, I doffs me lid to the lot of ya...
I can't wait for Bastile Day and Empire Day, then we'll see some patriotic fervour....
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 12:05

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 12:05
Aahh! Like me, a fan of Casablanca eh!

"Rick Blaine: If you don't get in that plane you'll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Rick Blaine: Last night we said a great many things. You said I was to do the thinking for both of us. Well, I've done a lot of it since then, and it all adds up to one thing: you're getting on that plane with Victor where you belong.
Ilsa Lund: But, Richard, no...
Rick Blaine: Now, you've got to listen to me! You have any idea what you'd have to look forward to if you stayed here? Nine chances out of ten, we'd both wind up in a concentration camp. Isn't that true, Louie?
Capt. Renault: I'm afraid that Major Strasser would insist.
Ilsa Lund: You're saying this only to make me go.
Rick Blaine: I'm saying it because it's true. Inside of us, we both know you belong with Victor. You're part of his work, the thing that keeps him going. If that plane leaves the ground and you're not with him, you'll regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Ilsa Lund: But what about us?
Rick Blaine: We'll always have Paris. We didn't have, we lost it until you came to Casablanca. We got it back last night.
Ilsa Lund: When I said I would never leave you.
Rick Blaine: And you never will. But I've got a job to do, too. Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of. Ilsa, I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Now, now... Here's looking at you kid. "

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 12:46

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 12:46
Bilbo, this could be the start of a beautiful friendship....
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 19:25

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 19:25
I've loved that film ever since I was a kid I saw my Mum watching it on TV and she was crying her eyes out. I thought it must have been something special - and it is.

It's my Number One film ever. I can watch it again and again. My sons bought me a copy for Christmas a few years back and it's one of only a handfull of films that I can watch more than once.

It's the greatest love story ever told and yet it's also a story of courage, loyalty, sacrifice and a "never say die" spirit. Old fashioned values I suppose.

I'm just an old softie really!

Plus my mum was a dead ringer for Ingrid Bergman was she was a young woman. Lucky Dad eh! And my old fella was a musician, that used to play " As Time Goes By" on the piano, just for me and my Mum. I feel a bit choked thinking about those times.

A marvellous film with some marvellous lines. Claude Raines almost stole that film from Bogart and Berman.

And of course, Peter Lorre, the finest "bit part" actor ever known excepting Donald Sutherland who steals every film he's in!

"Rick Blaine: Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine"

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 19:48

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 19:48
So having regard for the plot you know why I made the reference to Victor Laslo in respect of this debate... Rick Blaine is just like me, bitter, twisted, cynical and you can tell I am neutral in all things LOL
So how about a challenge:
I reckon we should be at some point in each thread in the forum be able to somehow weave a quotation from Casablanca that makes sense & is relevant. The winner is the one who cops the most flack from the rest of the forum.
I have a copy of the original script that I can email you if you wish and we could appoint maybe Gramps (as Louie Renault) to adjudicate....
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 23:19

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 23:19
Basil,

Like Rick & yourself, I am also cynical, twitter and bisted,,,,,,,,,,,so count me in. I doubt I'd know the script as well as you do. But I do know the plot.

Send me a copy 'n I'll be in it.

email is:

leslowe@iinet.net.au

I reckon you'll win, but it'll be a hoot trying. Or is that "a root tyring".

,,,,,,,"appoint maybe Gramps (as Louie Renault) to adjudicate.... " - as Louie Renault always did!!

"You must remember this a kiss is still a kiss, a sigh is just a sigh,,,,,,,"

Bilbo
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