OziExplorer - How do you know which map to open ?

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 18:03
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Howdy ,

I have just put the Kimberley 50,000 maps on my old laptop . When I go to open a map , there is a choice of maybe a hundred maps to choose from .

If you don't know the name of the map you want , how do you find the correct one . For instance , I wanted to look at a map that covered Mt Hann . How do I find out which map it is , on so I can then open it ?

If this is a really stupid question , feel free to dump some poop on me , just as long as you give me the answer !

My other question is . What is the difference between a RASTOR MAP and a MAP ?

Thanks a lot ,

Willie .
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Reply By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 18:36

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 18:36
Willie,

By definition a RASTER image is one that can be read by a machine. I have the NATMAP raster images and on the disk was included a RASTER Viewer. This is just a little program that gives you several ways of looking at the stored data. Once you have identified the name of the map or clicked on the large scale map, it opens the one that you want.

Of course when using OziExplorer in conjunction with a GPS, Ozi finds and opens the maps for you.

I'm no expert, but it works for me.

Kingo
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Reply By: Footloose - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 19:07

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 19:07
Never mind getting technical, what was the problem reading the maps ? :-)
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Reply By: Sarg - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 19:15

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 19:15
Probably name each map in a way that it means something to you would be the best way
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:26

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:26
Sarge ,
That is not possible .
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:06

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:06
Hello - The map files on the Kimberley DVD are named after the map sheet name eg Mt Hann map sheet is the Mount Hann.map file - I doubt if you could re-name them to anything more meaningful than that...though there may be exceptions.

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Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 15:04

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 15:04
Hello - Perhaps I should have used Mt XYZ as an example . Is there a sheet named that ?
Thanks ,
Mike
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 15:21

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 15:21
Not that I can see :) - I purposely named the map files using the map sheet name as apposed to using the map sheet number eg - A map file called Adolphus Island is easier to remember/identify (for most people) than 4567-4. Some of the map files floating around for the 250K Natmap series (and others) are difficult to use in this respect as they use numbers not names, though using map sheet numbers would be handy for identifying adjoining sheets as they are in a sequence. I suspect Sarg's initial post above was based on the assumption that the map files available for the Kimberley 50K series were named using numbers.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 19:35

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 19:35
You need an index map - use it to find the place you want - then right click the mouse and select "Find map at Cursor". It will list the maps that cover that spot, and you can select the one you want.

I simply use the Raster Mosaic map as my index map - others will use the index map that comes with the program.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:29

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:29
Steve and Phil ,
That sounds like the answer . I will try that and let you know how I go .
Thanks a lot ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:37

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:37
Sorry guys , that did not work.

I opened the index map , pressed the left click , then right clicked which left an encouraging mark on Mt Hann . Then I clicked on "Find map at cursor" and the map that came up as the option was the Index Map that I was already in - not the 50,000 maps I wanted to go to .

Maybe I have not set up something correctly .

Thanks

Willie
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:47

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:47
Willie,
I have all my maps and their calibration files in the folder at C:/oziexplorer/maps

Then set up the configuration - go to "file" then "configuration" and click on the third tab "map images" and list C:/oziexplorer/maps as the place for ozi to look for maps.
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 03:06

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 03:06
Isn't there a preference to 'find more detailed map'? Look in preferences.

The other thing might be to use the 'go to map to the right' button/arrow and then come back 'go to map to left' when you might get a bunch of map options.

I think a raster map is the actual picture with all the pretty lines and hills and roads on it and just to confuse a .map file is an OzeExplorer file created to handle the coordinates of the map and allow it to figure out find a map to the right and find a map to the left. Have you use the import function to import the raster maps which will trigger OziEx to create the .map files and put them in their own folder?

Tim
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:25

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:25
Phil ,
I have all my MAP files in D:\OziExplorer\Maps already and I have set up that configuration setting correctly also ., so neither of those things is causing me any dramas .
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:33

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:33
Hi Tim,
Yeah, theres a checkbox to look for more detailed map, but I never use it because I often flick between maps - usually Hema, Westprint and Raster Mosaic when I'm out bush.

Willie,
You're getting me stumped! I assume your "D" drive is a second hard drive or a partitioned drive. I tend it keep my computer simple with just the C drive. And I put both the maps themselves and the .map calibration files in the same folders. Anyway, hope it all happens shortly!
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 11:28

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 11:28
Phil ,

My computer came with a C drive and a D drive . It could not matter which one I use , surely .

My Kimberley maps are all in the Maps file
D:\OziExplorer\Maps\Western Aust\Kimberley Rastor 1 to 50 thousand

In that file " Kimberley Rastor 1 in 50 thousand " are the following files :

Kimberley 50K OZF ( this file contains all the map and ozfx3 files )
Kimberley DEM data ( contains hgt files which I unzipped from another file here )
KImberley Index Map (contains map file and ozfx3 file )
Name Search ( contains names files and types files )

SO WHAT AM I DOING WRONG ?

I place the cross hairs on a spot by right clicking on "Find map at cursor "
Then a box opens , but I can get no further than this - it says " no map was found for the selected position "

I am going to lie on the ground kick my feet in the air and have a huge tantrum - I might feel better after that .

Cheers to all ,

Willie .

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:10

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:10
Willie wrote - "I opened the index map , pressed the left click , then right clicked which left an encouraging mark on Mt Hann . Then I clicked on "Find map at cursor" and the map that came up as the option was the Index Map that I was already in - not the 50,000 maps I wanted to go to" .

Willie, you need to load the index map in the index map window - not the main map window - you then need to specifiy which map files you wish to display on the index map. In the case you mention above you have just opened the Index Map (you can use any map as an index map) in the main window of oziexplorer - which is where you have got stumped.

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Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 15:59

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 15:59
Greg ,

Ok , I finally managed to load the Kimberley index map by moving it from the Kimberley 50 thou file to the Index File . BUT when I am in there on that map the"right click to " Find Map at Curser " no longer appears .

Isn't this the way you load the 50 thou map you want from the index map ?

Or have I got it all wrong again !

This has made me go down and buy a packet of smokes . I am tearing my hair out .

Thanks ,

Willie .
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Reply By: srowlandson - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:11

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:11
i nearly always open up a map of the whole state, find the area i am interested in, right click, find map at cursor and select the map to the resolution I am after.

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Reply By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:49

Sunday, Jan 28, 2007 at 22:49
Willie,

I must apologise for my simplistic reply. It was only after I posted that I noticed the extensive problems you had been having with your navigation equipment further down the index.

I just checked out your rig and profile. Whew!

Anyway I have had good service from my good old IPAQ 2210 and CF HOLUX GPS. I have all the necessary CE converted maps on 2 512 meg SD cards. The 2210 has two card slots so I use one for the GPS and the other for the maps.

Kingo
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:29

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:29
Kingsley ,

Your the second Kingsley I have spoken to this week .

I thought about an IPAQ , but the screen is too small for my old eyes .

Thanks ,

Willie .
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Reply By: Michael Carey - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 07:40

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 07:40
Something I have found useful, is the "Names" function in Oziexplorer.
I have a few Names databases installed, but I use the "Auslig Place Names" the most. You can search for a geographic name, homestead, creek/river, hill, mountain, feature etc. When you find the place you want, there is an Icon at the top of the Names window that finds a map for the selected place name.
Easy...

Michael.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:32

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:32
Michael ,
Yes , that is the way to go if you are looking for a place on a Natmap map , but I am looking for a place on a map not on Natmap . This is very different .
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Michael Carey - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 12:39

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 12:39
No, the Place Name function is independent of what maps you have. If the place you are looking for is in whatever Names database you have loaded, it will find the map/s for that features location.
Of course, if you look for something (like a hill) and it isn't on the marked on the map you load, then that's a problem, but it will still pinpoint where that hill is, even if it isn't marked/named on the map it loads for you.

You can download the Australian names database for Oziexplorer from www.gpsoz.com.au. Look in the Oziexplorer users section.

Michael.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:12

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:12
Hello - as mentioned the 50k Kimberley DVD actally comes with a name search database for use with OoziExplorer - no need to download another (unless its better or for another area)

cheers
Greg
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 11:38

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 11:38
Willie,

Not sure if you read my response to Phil's reply, I really meant it to go to you.

A raster map is the actual picture with all the pretty lines and hills and roads on it and just to confuse a .map file is an OzeExplorer file created to handle the coordinates of the map and allow it to figure out find a map to the right and find a map to the left. Have you use the import function to import the raster maps which will trigger OziEx to create the .map files and put them in their designated folder?

When you say you have the map files in particular folders, do you mean the calibration .map files or the raster map files.

You can open a raster file in an image reading programme and see all the details of the map, but hidden in the background of the image are details Ozi uses so when you feverously stab the find map at cursor position, it knows what you are wanting it to do.

Tim

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 13:16

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 13:16
Tim ,
What is the file ending for Map files and Rastor Map Files or are they both ".map"?
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:33

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:33
Hi Willie,

There are good answers flowing through the list it would seem. The map files, the image files you actually look at, are large files - perhaps a megabyte and have .ecw, or .tiff or other image extension. main thing is they are big files.

The .map calibration files are small files. I'm on my Mac at the moment so cannot check the regular file sizes and I'd be guessing around 100kb - substantially smaller than the image files.

Tim
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 12:51

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 12:51
Willie, I don't thaink anyone has suggested you actually index the maps and perhaps assume you have.

Go to Ozi and select menu item across the top *Maps*, then at the top *Re-Index Map files*, clicking on that selection and Ozi should go through the maps you have in your selected directories. You should be able to point to a part of the index map and find the maps that are in a particular area you are pointing to. You should see lots of overlapping red rectangles showing which areas you have mapped with separate maps. In some parts I have huge concentration of red so you can't see the index map behind it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 13:13

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 13:13
Hi John ,

I went to OziExplorer . I clicked on "Map" then "Re-Index Map Files"and nothing happened .

No red rectangles appeared .

Thanks for trying ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:27

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:27
I would check the configeration again under the *File* menu option to see that the system had all the locations of files correctly found mate.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:02

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:02
Willie, you have to get your Index map looking like this one. You can then pick up the map off the screen where you want to. A list of optional maps will appear.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:15

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:15
Hi John ,

No I do not have an index map looking like this .

I have put the Kimberley map indexes in the Ozi Map Index file and I have out the Kimberley "Place Names " into the Ozi"Name Search" file , so I am getting things organised the way they are meant to be as Greg told me to below .

I have looked in the HELP file but I still cannot figure how to find the map I want from the zillion in the Kimberley map file .

So how do I go about creating this grid map you have ?

Thanks ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:32

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:32
quote == So how do I go about creating this grid map you have ? ==


It's called a very fine red pen


Seriously, good luck with your problems.....i don't want to add anything as i'm sure you have enough information floating through your head at the moment (plus travelling, even if only for a week, is much more fun). Anyway John and others seem to be doing a good job

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:19

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:19
ROFLMOL - you're a bad man Andrew....... :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:32

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:32
No red lead in my pencil Andrew, - urh pen......
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Reply By: The Explorer - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:03

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 14:03
Hello Willie - With respect to the 50K Kimberley maps - by chance Mt Hann is on the Mt Hann map sheet :) But that of course is not always the case with other localities. There are several ways of finding a map with the location on. The 50K Kimberley DVD comes with an index map so you can use that to show all the map sheets. This is handy if you have a good idea of what area you want to look at. Read the instructions that come with the DVD - these provide a brief run down on the best place to put the index map (in the INDEX MAP folder under OziExplorer) - read the Oziexplorer Help file for instructions on using the indext map function in OziExplorer (if you get stumped get back to us). The other way to find a location is to use the name search function - the Kimberley DVD also comes with a name search database (Read the instructions that come with the DVD - these provide a brief run down on where to put the name search database files...strange as it may seem ...in the Name Search Folder in OziExplorer directory)..again read the OziExplorer Help for more info on Name searching.

OziExplorer only uses Raster maps so any map that can be used by OziExplorer is a raster map - raster refers to image format - The image file defines the pixel location and colour, digital photos are also in raster format. Common raster formats are tif, jpg bmp. Oziexplorer has its own - ozf. The other map format not supported to any degree by OziExplorer is vector format - the image file contains points (defined by coordinates), Lines (points joined) and polygons (regions defined by points and lines). Common vector formats are DXF, shp, dwg. Vector format is used for mapping on most GPS units eg Magellan DAST and Garmin mapsdource. You can actually import soem vector data into OziExplorer to overlay your map.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 16:03

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 16:03
OK Greg ,
will look up those instructions and get back to you .
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:43

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:43
Willie,

In File >Configurations click on the system flag

In the box at bottom right that says file paths:
Map file path is where all your .map configuration files are. These are the little files.
Data file path is where all you big files go that have the images with all the roads and hills etc - the things you look at. These are the big files.

Click on the Map Images flag.
Insert in there again where your image files are - the big file sizes.

Save and close

Along the top line of menu's where you click on a picture - not the ones where you pull down a menu - go to the right and click on Index. YOu can also find this under the pull down menu Map, and then Index Map.

I think what will come up is a screen where you can enter the file path to find the image you have chosen to be your index image. This needs also to have an associated configuration .map file somewhere I suspect. I used World Map which came with OziExp.

Go to pull down menu Map and at the top is REindex Map files - click on it. You'll see the system working at bottom left of the screen with a little message.

That's all I can think of Willie. Go to the Index map and hopefully you will see all those fine red lines Andrew wanted you to draw on the screen, or you could use the fine red lines that are your eyeballs after too many smokes and too many tantrums today. If it doesn't work, how about leaving it for a day or so! fresh minds etc...

All the best
Tim

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:09

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:09
Tim ,

Your a bloody genius . You explained it so that an idiot could understand - and I was able to fix it .

I have the red grid lines and if I click on a square a box opens asking me which map I want to open . I cannot get past this point at the moment , but I will press everything until I make it work .

Tim you are a legend ,

Thanks heaps ,

The idiot .
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:17

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:17
The map was underneath the Index Map , so I had opened it , I just didn't know it .

WOW WOW WOW this is great now .
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:23

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:23
Dear idiot,

I am really pleased. This has been an entertaining thread to contribute to through the day - good it's got a good outcome - so far.

Now, tell us what you are seeing through the smoky haze and red lines ...
Can we assume the index map is now working - yes?
The index map has lot's of lines and squares marking the extent of each of the maps - yes?
When you click on the area you want to go visit you say a box opens, what does it show??

Arr, now I see you have responded and found the map underneath the index map - Great. Resize the index map Willie, or put it away by clicking on the Index button and just get on and enjoy the programme and give yourself a pat on the back!

The legend :-)

Tomorrow you can call me Tim, but for tonight, legend is fine

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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:19

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:19
A big thanks to everyone who has put up with me for the last few days . At least it has made me look into every part of this software . There is heaps more to learn , but I'm not so scared of it any more .

Willie .
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