Very green travellers with little knowledge

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We have a Goldstream storm camper which is towed by a Discovery, 5 kids 3 months to 11 years and have so far been on two small trips since we purchased our camper in December. We are about to HOPEFULLY make it the whole way round Australia in March for 14 weeks - our must see places are Cairns, Ayres Rock and of course a week in Melbourne for the football - staying in caravan parks. Do all of you more experienced people believe this we can do this and what are the vital items we need to think of and where are great places to go...
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:36

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:36
>and what are the vital items we need to think of and
>where are great places to go...

With five kids...!? Appointments with psychiatrists in all the capital cities!? Really! :)

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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:50

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:50
Leave the kids with the grandparents and enjoy the trip.

With 5 kids the stops would have to be pretty close so that they can get out and wear themselves out and stretch their legs. As even with their ages the rear seats are not really meant for long distance travelling.
So I'd take your time and stop regularly.

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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:59

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:59
Probably in this order:

1. money

2. money

3. more money

Good luck, enjoy yourselves, i'm sure you will make it with a little planning.
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Reply By: Footloose - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:01

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:01
14 weeks ? Easy. 5 kids ?? Now THATS a challenge !
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Reply By: 1arm - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:02

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:02
Hi there
yes you can do it
Last year we travelled from Perth to Canberra and back over 6 weeks with 4 children under ten and 1 on the way. we stayed in caravan parks which suited us better than free camping. yes it costs a bit more but for us it was more convienient.
In terms of things to see I cant offer much advice other than we enjoyed the great ocean road and our whole trip really. We found it best to leave our camper at the parks and do some exploring without having to tow it.
we did the travelling without the aid of portable DVD players and laptops and instead took books and lots of activities to do in the car. Places like trover learning in Perth have lots of ideas like wicky sticks which provided hours of entertaintment. A couple of stable tables provided a good surface to work on. We didnt try to do big days in the car, 5 or 6 hours at the most and had regular stops. Stop off at the smaller towns beacause you never know what you might find.
In the caravan parks take advantage of the camp kitchens if they have them. We found these to be a wonderful resource as well.
We got the promotional magazines from each state we were visiting which gave us some idea of what regions we wanted to go through and some idea of things to see.
Finally have a rough idea of where you want to go but be flexible as some places may disappoint while others may surprise and you may stay longer.
Expect the kids to have rough days and the odd fight amongst themselves and get the older ones involved in setting up and packing up the camper as well. It helps keep them occupied.
Above all have fun.
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Follow Up By: 1arm - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:10

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:10
in the time it took me to write this the naysayers and the doom and gloom brigade have come out to play. You obviously enjoy having children so forget the negative comments which you get when you have a large family and get out and give it a go. We didnt have any problems with space in the rear and rotated the kids regularly.
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:35

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:35
I'm with 1arm - yes you can do it.

To go all the way around is about 10 - 15 thousand km, depending on where you go. That's maybe 100 - 150 km a day average.

Kids will need to stop in one place for a few nights occasionally - a nice beach, somewhere exciting, just a place where they can run. You will want to do some of the big sights, and all that takes time. So maybe on your traveling days you'll have to do a few hundred km. You can do that in 5 or 6 hours driving, but make sure you find the playground that is in every town when you stop for a break - or the pool.

We have seen young families on the wallaby and we just see kids getting experience that will be great for them and having a ball.

Sister in law is a teacher, and she has to convince parents doing a trip like yours not to worry about school work - maybe a trip diary for those that are at school, with distances, drawings of what they have seen and a few words about what they have enjoyed each day. They will come back having learned more than they'd get in school. What geography lesson could equal seeing whales at Head of the Bight? The activities that 1arm suggests will keep them busy in the car too.

Probably best to keep in mind that you can cut the trip shorter when you get to the top if its getting too much of a drag and you need to slow it down - coming down the centre, or doing the Matilda Highway instead of the Queensland coast for example are still exciting and interesting, but can give you more time in camp or at interesting places.

What to see and do? If you've not done so already, ring the tourist office for each state (or get onto their web sites) and request some booklets. They will give you lots of ideas, something for the kids to look over as you travel and they can suggest what you need see, and cutting out pictures or maps from them will help with their diaries.

Have a wonderful time - but be warned the kids may grow up wanting to keep on traveling!!

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Follow Up By: Mobi Condo - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:39

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:39
Go for it!
We never did a BIG trip with our four lads - nor did we have a caravan etc - but had a Hiace Camper van and 7x4 home made trailer (when I got game to tow) with tent(s) and we all had a ball.
Lads were born 1973, 1974, 1975 & 1978 so were close together. We just made sure we had good tucker, plenty of water, good protective clothes for what ever weather and plenty of shade / shelter from elements when required.
Activities always included the kids level interest and plenty of what adults might think were stupid games when travelling were conducted.
We were both teachers then (I am out of that now - but wife is still there) and we had fun stuff like truck counts, model of vehicle variations etc and ad nauseum. The kids now grown and two have own families still have a love of the outdoors with one doing walking guiding in Cradle Mt for summer "work". Another does adventure hiking and rafting for fun and relaxation.
Our biggest mistake was try to push too far for a day - that really causes kids some irrits!
Most likely the biggest problem was me - the impatient Dad!
Cheers - Mobi
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Reply By: Raftery5 - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:31

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:31
Thank you so much for all of your feedback we are really surprised that people replied we are so nervous about the trip for the safety of our children and being around strangers all the time (we live in a town of 150) but if people like yourselves are the type of people we will meet then we should go o.k.

More questions though :

Why does everybody have solar panels and would we need it if we are staying in caravan parks all the time?

Is the water that comes from the hose connected to your van at caravan parks o.k to drink?

3 times when we were travelling with our camper it started to sway - we had bikes on the back - any ideas on how to stop it because I nearly crapped myself and then proceeded to drive 10km/per hour

Has anybody had there van broken into at a caravan park?

Should we have a UHF radio in the car?

Will we need to carry fuel across the Nullarbor - diesel?

I think that is it for now - Thank you again for your feedback.
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Follow Up By: 1arm - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:51

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:51
Not everybody has solar panels and unless your going outbush you probably dont need them. we had a powered site when we camped and recharged anything that needed charging from that.

Our kids made friends with out kids at the parks but then again we didint let them wander off too far and they always went everywhere together.

Most taps at parks will have a sign letting you know if it is unsuitable for drinking.

In regards to the camper swaying you may need to redistribute the weight a bit or put on anti sway bars ( i think).

We didnt have any trouble in our 6 weeks on the road and people tend to look out for each other. That said there is that element of people in society that will do what they want regardless. Make sure you dont leave any valuables ie cameras, wallets, etc in the van when your not there. Lock them in the car if necessary.

UHF we didnt carry one but we didnt go off road at all or anywhere remote. We stuck to the highways.

You should be fine with diesel on the nullabour . The longest between roadhouses was a couple of hundred kms.
This is based on my experience only. Other people may see it differently.

What state are you starting from if I may ask

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 23:05

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 23:05
1arm has answered all your questions, however in relation to the UHF if you stick to the main highways and byways they are not necessary however we find them very handy to communicate with large vehicles such as road trains etc. if you need to overtake them.



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Follow Up By: Raftery5 - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 23:10

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 23:10
We are coming from WA. Thank you so much all of the feedback has been very helpful.
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Follow Up By: greydemon - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:08

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:08
Yes, get a UHF , they are not expensive. Not only will you be able to talk to others to make it easier to overtake them, but faster traffic will be able to talk to you and you will be able to call them through.

Of course, if you are towing a caravan you have to follow the caravan code .... display in big letters on the back which channels you are using EG: UHF 40 & 15 ...then leave the radio turned off for the entire trip!!
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:50

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:50
Yes it can be done, back in the early eighties, long before DVD players and all the kids toys and games etc. that is around these days, we took 4 children from the South of WA all through the Pilbarra, and I mean out to Wittenoom, Tom Price and all the scenic spots whether on gravel or bitumen roads, up through the Kimberly's and ended up in Darwin. Coming out of Tom Price we got permission from the Mining Company to drive back to the coast on the access road along the railway line as the Wittenoom road was extremely rough, (couldn't do that with the modern vans). We had six weeks and were told by friends before we left that we wouldn't make it to Geraldton. We towed an 18ft 6 caravan and thoroughly enjoyed it. A long the way we all discussed all sorts of things that we had seen and made school type lessons out of them, the children that were in school at the time wrote up diaries at night. (I found the diaries the other day and really went down memory lane reading them, it was great) The eldest was nine and the youngest was five. They are all in their thirties now and still remember different aspects of the trip. Take the kids, you will be able to talk about for years to come.
Enjoy the trip
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Reply By: Peter - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 02:52

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 02:52
Don't worry about the negative comments. We take the grandkids with us whenever we can. Sometimes they have a DVD, other times listen to a CD or we organise some games. Pull over every now and then and let them have a play (take a ball etc).When we booked into caravan parks we always advise them we have kids and then normally get a site near the playground so the kids can play and we can watch them from the site. Do a bit of research on the places you will visit and make the trip into a living history. Small towns have much to offer, just ask the local towns people. Regarding solar, if you want to get away from caravan parks all the time the solar is a good option (just sold our Goldstorm for a full van). I had an 80w panel with 2x110 ah batteries. The panel was removable from the roof so we could park the van in the shade and place the solar panel in the sun. Also had a switch fitted so when we stopped at shopping centres etc. could just flick over to the solar panel and leave it charging the batteries whilst running the fridge. Water normally isn't a problem but I'd be careful with the littles ones as their stomachs tend to be a bit sensitive. Carry a couple of containers of fresh water for drinking just in case. We never had problems with our van swaying so like the others I would suggest checking how you have it loaded. You'll learn by experience. Enjoy your trip and make the most of the time while the kids are little - they tend to grow up too fast
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Reply By: Taz & Milka-Queanbeyan - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:21

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:21
Hi Guys,

Don't worry yourself to death. Prepare as best you can and go for it.

Just a suggestion if you haven't thought of it already:

Thoroughly examine this website as it is an excellent source for info. There are articles on travelling with kids, car games etc that might give you ideas. You can search for place names and read reports etc. Use the search facility at the top of the forum. Just about every topic has been covered by the great folks who frequent this site.

Big ticket item - Make sure you take your camera.You will kick yourself forever if you don't.

Our 11 yo is into astronomy and one of the best places in the world to view the night sky is the middle of the Nullabor. One of the roadhouses even has a small Spacelab museum. We hope to get there next year.

If you intend to visit the nations capitol try to do it in Autumn as the colourful trees make for great photography ( and its not quite freezing ).

If you have a laptop with a wireless connection there are many places where you can pay a fee to hook into their network and access your emails etc. I believe someone on here mentioned that some Macdonalds have this facility - Not sure as have never used it myself.

There are websites that rate caravan parks nationwide so you can have an idea of what the park is like before booking ahead such as:

home.vicnet.net.au/~badger04/

A website dedicated to camper trailers that may give you ideas or be of help:

www.campertrailers.org/index.html

There is even a government website that provides a map of public toilets nationwide.

We have 3 kids and one on the way, due in April. I am trying to convince my wife to pack up and go touring for a week or 2 next summer.

Good luck and enjoy !!!!

Cheers ... Taz
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 10:30

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 10:30
"3 times when we were travelling with our camper it started to sway - we had bikes on the back - any ideas on how to stop it because I nearly crapped myself and then proceeded to drive 10km/per hour "

Based on the vehicle and camper... your weight distribution has to be wrong. Check the site for details on towball weights.

We're planning a 14ish week trip for the middle of the year (Prado towing a Goldstream Wing camper.. so similar) but only 2 (5yo and an almost 8yo) kids (3 if you include me!!!). They do have a dual screen DVD player but we limit them to one movie selection each a day but a lot of the time they don't even use up their 'allocation' and are too busy drawing. What I do suggest is to get organised in such a way that they can access their stuff with minimal arguements, both while traveling in the car and in the camper. Each of our boys has a box each in the car and a cupboard in the camper is dedicated to their junk. We also play "I spy" and other games and usually keep a list of animals we sight along the way. The youngest is prone to add 'cow' to the list about 6 million times but we just ignore him after awhile :) We always try to stop at a play ground... they love just that, sometimes I think they think we are just driving around looking for playgrounds!

With the internet available now, you can do so much more planning so that you can know in adavance "must see's". If you're so keen to go to some football then you can have that info before you arrive and thus arrive at the right time. We have our route well planned, but will be flexible stopping longer if we like the place, or moving on otherwise.

Looking forward to hearing how it goes... you'll be back before we take off so I'm sure you'll have learnt some good hints you can pass on!

cheers, Nige
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Reply By: Steve63 - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 13:33

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 13:33
It can be done. Me and my sister travelled with my parents when we were 2 and 4. Straight up Stuart Highway then down the east coast. Was a while ago, Stuart Highway was dirt. This took 12 weeks. We kids were pretty trained up though. Parents were real nomads and we always travelled on holidays. So 10 hours in the car with stops every couple of hours didn't bother us. We did tend to travel for a few days then camp for a few days. Was a great trip.

Steve
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Reply By: Sam from Weipa Auto Electrics - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 19:14

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 19:14
One of the best times of my life was traveling with my parents and my two brothers back in the 90's in a xd fairmont wagon towing a crapped out caravan 14ft from memory. From victoria to cairns. With no money whatsoever. (my oldman was planning a future in cairns and kinda winging it a bit). But we had no dvd players nothing we had to keep ourselves ocupied 90 percent of the time playing eye spy and other games. From memory the tape deck in the car only kinda worked. reading this just made me think how good that time was. actually one thing I do remember was that mum would'nt sell the washing machine before we left victoria so it was in the back of the wagon LOL. One thing we didnt have was a camera make sure you take one preferably digital so it doesn't matter how many photos you take.
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