For WA members - Daylight Saving Debate

What have ya got against daylight savings? Another hour of lights, is another hour of outdoor activities.

Wast of time Motherhen, no one will listen to Brenden, at least not until the next election and the liberals need help, and he seem like a true guy too, which in this day and age is hard to fined..

Good luck

Richard

PS. having been brought up on it I must admit I have had trouble adjusting to it (but don't tell anyone)

You must be up north where the day length doesn't vary as much as the south? Otherwise, what's the problem?

Just last week the talk around the lunch room at work (from people who previously thought daylight saving would be good) was that they had enough and couldn't wait to vote "No".

nothing better than daylight saving (called "summer time" where I come from)
our schools started at 7am in summer and not at 8:30 or later like here
and since when do kids go to bed at 8pm ??? get an aircon if you are hot...
where is the petition for " Pro" .. I will send 10 then
have fun
gmd

At the last referendum it was something like 46% Yes, 54% No for daylight saving. That means a swing of only 4% would result in a Yes result. The point being, there is only a small difference between the Yes and No vote whatever way you look at it.

So for the rest of summer, and the next 2 years, the large minority of Yes people will have the chance to experience daylight saving as they desire. The No people have had forever without daylight saving.

Don't you think it is rather selfish not to let the Yes people have at least another 2 years of daylight saving? Or do you think that the small No majority have the right to overule just because they have a 4% margin (and who knows which way it will go when the referendum does come!!!)

Cheers

Captain

Ok so this post got me in. I'm with you Motherhen - as a Perth resident, I don't like Daylight Saving. The problem here however, is that the state of WA is enormous - it covers various climatic zones and the sun/moon rise times already vary from place to place within the state. In some places, daylight saving would be advantageous - for example I recall waking up in broad daylight one hot November morning at Lake Argyle at 4am. With daylight saving, that would make it 5am, and I guess you can tolerate the sun at that hour, but certainly not at 4am. So maybe in the North West daylight saving makes life a little more bearable. However, here in Perth before daylight saving I loved the fact that it was easy to get up at 6am, but now I find that much harder so am less likely to go for a morning walk. Likewise, the summer sun would start to sink around 7.30pm and it would be dark by 8pm, but now with daylight saving it's 9pm until you can say it's dark. I think in the Eastern States daylight saving still makes night fall about 30mins earlier isn't it?

As a business operating in WA, daylight saving helps us be easier to deal with with people in other states and for that reason it works for us, but domestically it causes me some challenges. I'm getting used to it - mostly I have to be better organised and not lulled into using the light to organise when I should organise dinner, put kids in the bath, etc. Like most parents, the evening routine with young kids is quite demanding and can take a couple of hours. By starting the routine too late, because you've been using another hour of daylight down the park, or riding bikes on the street, then it upsets the whole routine.

So, overall I can't complain enough to vote against it due to the advantages it gives us in business, but without that requirement, I'd be against it.
Just my opinions, and since I spent the first 30 years of my life on the east coast and have been used to daylight saving, this has been an interesting trial. The polies will have a fair bit of pressure both ways from business who like us have found the summer 3hr time difference very challenging and the families in our community who find it difficult to adjust. It's just been our WA way of life to rely on our predictable weather/sunlight and now we have to use our clocks to know when the day should have ended! If it's here to stay I guess we just have to get more organised.

I have got to say I love WA its a great state, No If Buts or Maybes.

As an Eastern States visitor I could only find 3 things that I did not like about my last trip to WA.

1. No 24 Hour Shopping.

2. The price of Dim Sims in the Fish & Chip Shop.

3. No Daylight Savings.

Its good to see that you guys have got sensible and fixed at least 1 out of the 3 problems. :-)

Well i will not be sighning any petition. i have been making use of daylight savings (while in perth) doing gardening leaving the weekend free and spending time in the nearby hills with my girlfreind after she finishes work going for walks and using those free barbies they have in most parks
i say instead of complaining - enjoy it. that is why people think there are so many against it. Those against complain and those for are too busy enjoying it

Gday All

I'm with the pro crowd......both when I am up north and when I'm down south. Perth time in summer is very similar to east coast time now in comparison to when the sun goes down. My kids go to bed when they are told, or they are beaten to a pulp and sent down the coal mine (not really). Look for the pro's in what you now have, deal with any negatives (?) and give it a fair go.

Cheers Andrew

Was all for it. Not so sure now.

Yep, all for keeping it in place. Am sure there will be lots of signatories for the petition but I am hoping that the WA govt has the guts to stick to its guns on this one and leaves the 3 year trial in place.

We live near the coast to the north of the city and we have never seen the beachfront so busy with people out walking, exercising or having dinner in some of the restaurants that have literally come to life to daylight savings started - at last Perth seems to have some sort of atmosphere after 6pm rather than the suburban desert that it used to be in the evenings.

It is clear that the demographic of WA and in particular Perth is changing rapidly and hopefully this will be enough to reverse the results of previous referenda. Everyone at work is for it (even those who voted against previously) and I am convinced that the only danger will be voter apathy and I hope a serious campaign is mounted by the pro's to ensure as many people in favour vote as possible.

Cheers
Darren

I am voting 'Yes' - I love it.

Time is only a perception.

Daylight Saving doesn't affect me.

I am retired from holding down a job.

Instead of the sun coming up at 5.48am it comes up at 6.48am. So I either go for a 6am walk, or a 7am walk.

Sunset is now at 8.30pm instead of 7.30pm. More good time to spend in the garden enjoying the fruits of our labours.

The dog normally gets fed at 5pm. She knows exactly when its 5pm(although in real terms its 4pm). Maybe she can read the digital clocks....:-)

Getting used to the changes at the turnaround of DST and Normal T and vice versa, takes a short while, but once its in, I perceive it as normal.

All Australian States should comply with Daylight Saving so that there is no lag in time like between Qld and NSW.

Those against DST should learn to relax more and not get stressed so much over nothing.

Cheers

Sorry Motherhen. Wont be signing this or voting to stop daylight saving
I dont do as much as others but like it just the same.

For me, well, Im not enjoying it too much at all, however Im sure that for me not enjoying daylight savings, there is atleast one person who does enjoy it. It s a lose lose situation, no matter what decision is made when the referendum occurs, one group of people will get their way, and another will not. Thats just politics all over.

At the end of the day, one group will be in a position where they have to 'suck it up' and deal with it. I just hope that it is not me ;)

Motherhen,
I don't understand your East versus West thing at all. Our seasons, and the amount of daylight in our day, are controlled by the position of the Earth in its orbit aound the Sun. Because of the tilt of the axis, places on the Earth get closer to the Sun and consequently have longer days. As the Earth rotates each place, on the same latitude gets exposed to the same amount of sunshine (the daylight hours). The state that has the longest days is Tasmania - the Sun does not set until around 9.30pm down there, on the longest day. So your argument should really be a North versus South thing, not East versus West.
regards,
Phil

Hi Motherhen,

As a Queenslander we don't have this issue but I grew up in NSW and I was pro savings (probably still am but haven't taken my pulse lately) and it used to rile me having to always work out time differences when trying to talk to London or New York or Perth for that matter. But now it just simply doesn't matter, in my current job I rarely have to deal with other time zones. I still have family in NSW and still work out when I ring them etc.

I can understand your argument and I've tried getting up early to take advantage of those extra hours and that is not a bad way to go. There certainly is some mental gap to bridge trying to bring yourself to set that alarm an hour earlier and I can see why for some that it is easier to pick that up in the evening.

Kind regards

Grow up everyone. I simply cant fathom how a group of people who enjoy the outdoors ie 4wding, fishing etc are unhappy about a little as an extra 1 hour of sunlight. As a group of like minded "outdoor" people - WTF !

Speaking of Brainless comments - refer to the above

Thanks for the alert motherhen, I shall act accordingly :)

Hope the SW is treating you well

I'm with you on this one Mother H.7.18 here & has been dark since 7.05 i can go to bed at 8.30/ 9.00 awake again 5/5.30 off to work not tooo hot but just barely sunrise.Beutiful & yes i work in the bloody sun every day for 8 hours not in an air conditioned office or the likes.Hope you get it turned around for your sake & others.
Bob.

Motherhen
Thank you for that, saved mre from doing a post about it, I already have some downloaded and have signatures ,

Doug

When Daylight Saving was first suggested last year, I was all for it, expecially after seeing it in action when first arrived here from the UK back in 1974.

But now, for some reason that I can't put my finger on, I have reservations. I just can't get my sleeping rythm right. I wake up at all sorts of odd hours - like now at 4.00am!! It seems too hot in the evenings. I don't know what it is - I just don't like it.

I'm retired, so the sleep thing is easy to fix - have a 'nanna nap' in the afternoon. It would be a very differnt story I was still working.

I just don't like it. Doesn't suit me.

Bilbo

Hasn't this been floogged to death????

You'd do better to debate religion.

Hi Motherhen,

I don't think this is a topic where you can convince someone to form or change an opinion. In my view, you either like it or you don't. I am for it but my wife isn't. I respect her opinion, as I do others who don't like it.

As I see it there a lot of Sandgropers who have not experienced "summer" time - I use this term because as we all know daylight is not saved, the clock just shifted. The three year trial is a good idea in my view. Those opposed already likely won't change their mind (but might), those for already likely won't change their mind (but might), those who have no experience will get to form an opinion (some will like it, some will not). Then we'll all go and vote and know the future. What ever the outcome, I'll live with the result.

As Captain pointed out, the outcome of the last referendum was pretty close and I don't imagine the next vote will be too different (though I hope in swings). So as I see it irrespective of the outcome 1/2 will be happy and 1/2 not. So as unhappy as you feel right now with the trial (1 summer out of three), spare a thought for the other half who probably have felt like you for the past ten years. I suspect though that most folks just get on with it regardless. So let's have a vote when the time comes, see what the majority want, and live with the result. Then if close and ~ 1/2 are unhappy, it can be reviewed again 10-15 years down the track like last time.

Hugh