Vic Track Closures
Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 20:46
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Nick R
Hi everyone,
I was talking to a bloke today who often talks to the Victorian Government about a variety of issues agriculture related. He has also been talking to them about fire management and the like. I raised with him if he mentions track and fire trail closures to the government also....
The government response is usually "track closures? we don't know of any, name them and we will look into it"
So here's where you come in.
I was wondering if the good people of EO could post names and approxiamte locations in Victoria of these tracks, eg. Xyz track,
otways Abc track, Alpine national park, etc.
If we have names and locations it will at least give one less reason for government to not respond,
heaven forbid that they open some!!!
Thanks,
NickR
Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:07
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:07
Nick,
Have a look at the Vic Park road closure site.
Funny I thought this is a goverment department.
www.parkweb.vic.gov.au
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:14
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:14
Nick,
www.vicroads.vic.gov.au
Just in case you want some more track closures.
Again a Vic Gov site.
Wayne
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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:13
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:13
Nick I think you will find that after the fires this year a lot more tracks will be left open becasue a lot of them were 'rehabiliated' by parks and dse after the 03 filres at great expense!
Leroy
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Reply By: Ken - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:24
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 21:24
Nick, I understand your concern but before starting a possibly ineffective ruckus do you realise there is a very effective process in place through Four Wheel Drive Victoria, the state's peak body for 4WD clubs. There are many track closures and it is not surprising the "governement" knowns nothing of them if by government you mean ministers. There are the annual seasonal closures [over winter] and other closures in response to fire, storm or other extraordinary events.
The governement agencies that actually manage the tracks, DSE and Parks, have regular consultation with the 4WD Vic and generally the closures are by mutual agreement after some often intense discussions.
From time to time some zealous local officials impose closures unilaterally without consultation. Often these are the result of reaction to local damage by the ratbags who think it is their right to do whatever they want wherever they want. Sometimes these instances can be hosed down, sometimes not, and we have only the idiots to blame if the closures stay in place. Sometimes the damage gets repaired and the areas reopened but frequently, repeated damage results in the loss of tracks.
It is useful to report these isolated closures to 4WD Vic but a general call to report closed tracks could prove embarassing. For a list of tracks which are open people only need to go to the 4WD Vic site or the Parks Vic site.
Ken
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:45
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:45
Ken, Nick may elaborate but I know who he has been working with and they get good interface with state and federal governments with their affiliates - or back in my time they did......... There have been many
places that have been closed off in the last six or so years along the Great Ocean Road unless you are prepared to walk in. They can best be seen from the air but also frequently as you just drive the road. Posts in and a trench dug barring entry.
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Follow Up By: Ken - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 11:29
Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 11:29
John the closure you mention alon the Great Ocean Rd will be due to the declaration of the area as National Park through the combination of a number of smaller parks and
reserves into a new NP. The process was very public some years ago and a great deal of opposition was organised by 4WD Vic and others. The oppositon was never going to make any difference as Brack's & Co had declared it was GOING to be a NP and set about a pseudo consultative process to achieve it. 4WD interests were excluded from the initial stages but I think got representation
well into the charade. This was not one of the better outcomes for 4WDing with many tracks closed or upgraded to 2WD standard. Horses and bikes are allowed and of course walkers; all
well & truly overcatered for groups in my view but there you go !
Ken
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Reply By: Nick R - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:03
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:03
I should have explained myself better. I mean permanent closures, not just winter closures to prevent track damage or fire related closures for perceived safety reasons. Posts in the ground and trees felled to block tracks permanently.
If 4WD Vic has a list and people on this who should I talk to there? I'm sure they would appreciate another 21000 strong
membership organisation pushing some of the same messages, allbeit for different reasons.
NickR
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Follow Up By: Ken - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:24
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:24
Not sure of the name of the Track Committe chairman now but call the 4WD Vic office 9857 5209 and they will tell you.
Out of interest who/what is the 21000 strong
membership ?
Ken
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:46
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 22:46
Victorian Farmers Federation
Their angle would be more fire preparation and mitigation.
Nick
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 23:56
Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 23:56
Litigation? I'm guessing that's what you meant.
Haven't they had a good enough run?
We've been subsidising the very select few - and allowing them to run more head than their own properties could sustain - of those who had grazing licenses for crown (alpine and other) land out of our tax dollars for too many years already.
Why should they be able to sue & what exactly for?
I'm all for keeping tracks open - except maybe in areas where the mongrels who give 4wders a bad name have trashed
places so they can recover - but how exactly are the VFF going to help 4wders.
I think it's extremely interesting that the VFF threw so much support behind the select few with leases before they lost them, when so many of their members would have given their eye teeth for a chance at a 100 year alpine lease to be able to truck stock from drought stricken dry land farms in other districts, but didn't have the option. Yet their mouth piece was prepared to prop up what has for 100 years or more been grossly inequitable.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 00:09
Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 00:09
Am I the only one missing the first mention of "Litigation" ?
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 01:08
Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 01:08
Dunno. But I couldn't see how mitigation fits. Happy to stand corrected if that wasn't the intended meaning.
Can't see that the VFF want the track closures to remain but seem less serious.
mitigation
noun
1. to act in such a way as to cause an offense to seem less serious [syn: extenuation]
2. a partial excuse to mitigate censure; an attempt to represent an offense as less serious than it appears by showing mitigating circumstances [syn: extenuation]
3. the action of lessening in severity or intensity; "the object being control or moderation of economic depressions" [syn: moderation]
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 08:37
Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 08:37
Dave, suggest you look further rather than muddy with the word "litigation"
Cambridge dictionary
mitigate Show phonetics
verb [T] FORMAL
to make something less harmful, unpleasant or bad:
It is unclear how to mitigate the effects of tourism on the island.
mitigating Show phonetics
adjective
1 FORMAL making something less harmful, unpleasant or bad:
Are there any mitigating circumstances/factors which might help explain her appalling behaviour?
Compare unmitigated.
2 LEGAL causing you to judge a crime to be less serious or to make the punishment less severe:
The jury must take into account any mitigating circumstances presented by the defense, such as previous good character.
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:18
Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:18
I am not talking about litigation...
from the Macquarie dictionary:
Mitigate 1. To lessen the force or intensity (wrath, grief, harshness, pain, etc)
The VFF aren't specifically wanting to help 4WDers, we want to ensure the state has a better capability to manage the fire risk, and therefore lessen the effect on farmers neighbouring and close to public land.
I saw the opportunity to work colaberatively to advance toward an end point which would be of benefit to 2 groups of people but for different reasons.
Nick
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Reply By: markeaust - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 23:13
Reply By: Robin - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 08:20
Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 08:20
Tricky situation Nick, I could list a few.
Don't know how anybody even vaguely tuned in could not know of
the track closures.
Some of them like Wonnagatta road, which is in regular
use by locals and closed more for convience reasons than any
other.
I have certainly been annoying everyone I can think of
over the issue, but currently the bottom line for me is
to take a very broad approach which ranges from opening
with care the odd forgotten piece of track to advising
every one I can to join their relevant state 4wd body.
I'd like to see everyone on this site support the 4wd club
movement, its our future.
Robin Miller
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Reply By: Crackles - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 17:43
Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 17:43
Nick listing any new permanent track closures on ExOz is a great idea. Often 4WD Victoria's regional reps wont see a closure personally for some time so knowing where they are will allow us to challenge Parks & DSE without delay. Quick intervension has kept several tracks &
camping area's open already.
The fires have closed a huge proportion of the High Country temporarily but by the season opening in November the majority should be clear & will be a critical time to report those that are not to avoid a repeat of the "
Dingo Hill Track" saga during 03/04.
4WD Victoria & Parks have had excellent cooperation over the last couple of years & have regular dialog so ideally any closures should be refered through them. If that avenue hits a wall, all additional preasure through political sources has got to help.
If anyone knows of a new Victorian track closure not in the fire area list away & we'll see what can be done.
Cheers Craig.............
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