Lifting gizmo...what are they called?

Submitted: Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:01
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I've only ever seen these gizmos at 4x4 shows etc. They are a piece of flat steel about the size of your hand, cut and shaped in various ways. The "thing" is designed as an aid to lifting heavy stuff. At the shows, the demonstrations I have seen have involved using 2 of them to lift a small engine.
Basically, I guess you could say they are a modern-day replacement for a set of pulleys.
The question is, does anybody know where i can I buy one or 2 of these "things"....also, I guess it would help if I knew what they're called, if anybody knows?
I'm thinking (I know I know....that can be VERY dangerous....) that these would be an ideal means to raise/lower the 35" MTZs on and off the back of the box on the dual cab. They are far too heavy for my back (going in for an operation on 13/3)
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Roachie
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Reply By: Ken - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:20

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:20
Roachie, I think they are only available from the shows, I haven't seen them around the 4WD outlets but maybe this is because there are always more interesting toys !
They make a block and tackle set as you say but I can't think of the name of the business. Perhaps try looking for him in the list of exhibitors at the 4wd or caravan show sites.
How would a bit of rope with a truckies knot go ? Too much friction possibly??/
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22
Thanks mate. I will try to log onto the site for the upcoming camping show in Adelaide next month.
I'm not too good with knots I'm afraid.......
Cheers Ken
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22
All the best with the op. Suggest training the billy lids to do the changes. They will need to know how to do this in the future being a true "Roach" and you are providing them with some life skills.

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:03

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:03
Good idea champ......will get them onto it......hahaha
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Reply By: Johnnotoo - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22
G'Day Roachie

If they are what I think you arereferring to, they are a piece of flat bar mild steel bent to take rope in order to emulate a truckies hitch more so than a lifting device, in order increase mechanical advantage when tying down loads . I bought a set of 2, some years ago and while they work well, they are very fiddly. A truckies hitch does the job easier I think (for tying down loads) If I was you and wanting to lift your wheel, go to a yacht chandler and get a couple of double pulleys with a jammer and several metres of dacron rope to make a say 4:1 reduction. If your wheel weighs 40 kg your exertion is 10 kg. Simple and much easier.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 16:43

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 16:43
Sorry, don't follow.
Do you use a skyhook to put the top pully on to lift the tyre?
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 17:17

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 17:17
Nah mate....check the rig pic.....I have a box on the back. I will have a couple of 2" square box sections bolted to the top and will slip in a jib with a hook attached
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Reply By: Kev M (NSW) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:26

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:26
Don't know what their name is either but we are going to the Illawarra show next weekend, so we may see him there if you want any more info on them.

I find out on the 19 Feb when my Back operation is.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:02

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:02
Thanks Kev, good luck with your op too.......
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:18

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:18
Roachie,

With all your toys for your vehicle have you thought about your chair in front of your computer??

My Occupational Therapist just got Workers Comp to purchase one of these for me

www.bambach.com.au/au/index.htm

I got it on Wednesday and it is the best computer chair since sliced bread. It cost a pretty penny but does wonders for painful backs. Makes me wish I had one years ago

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 19:43

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 19:43
I actually bought one of those bloody things in about 1999. Only had for 2 days and sent it back. It made my whole "manhood" totally numb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I was bloody
P!ssed-off, let me tell ya. They weren't happy and couldn't understand why i was upset!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:13

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:13
LOL

Was that before or after the vascectomy????

I rode horse for years so it is pretty much second nature for me. They told me I'd be saddle sore but I have had no problems.
My 3 year old daughter can't quite decide whether it's a chair or not though

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Reply By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:31

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:31
Roachie,

I am going down to the Camping/Caravan show in a couple o weeks.

If you want I have a lookee see for ya.

BTW all the best for the back op, is it a fusion or laminectomy (spelling)?

I had a fusion 15yrs ago and the best thing I ever had done.....one of the real lucky ones.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:50

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:50
Thanks Michael,

We'll be going to the show too (at this stage), so I'll have a look then too.

They're calling my proceedure a Microdiscectomy (spelling???)....just to dig out a few loose fragments of disk between L4 and L5, that are having their wicked way with my sciatic (spelling again) nerves etc
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Follow Up By: mr fixit - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 17:43

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 17:43
I have one of those lifters and could never get it to work. The thickness of the rope affects it.

I had that operation 2 years ago and had a Wallis device.
implanted to keep the disc from being pinned against the Sciatic nerve.
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Fusion works for a lot of people but was not for me, I had 4 days off work and 3 weeks was back to full duties (self employed motor mechanic)
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:04

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:04
Thanks Mr Fixit, let me know if you decide to sell your lifter hitch master thingo.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Big Al. Gold Coast - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:37

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:37
It's called a Hitch Master.

Will work if you have the right size & type of rope.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:51

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:51
Thanks Al.......you've given me something to type into Google.......
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Reply By: Member - Big Al. Gold Coast - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 13:01

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 13:01
Hitchmaster

one word

You will find the web site
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 13:15

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 13:15
Here you go Bill:
https:// Site Link
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:05

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:05
Thank you gentlemen.....looks like an Alaskan site.....hmmm might need to wait till Adelaide show....
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 13:41

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 13:41
Roachie.... I actually bought one. Have tried numerous times to use it, even resorting to reading the instructions step by step. It has NEVER worked for me. A friend bought one at the same time. He has tried it numerous times, and has also step-by-stepped his way through the instructions. It has also NEVER worked for him.
Personally, I would investigate other methods of lifting.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 14:34

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 14:34
Brian ... et al ...

I have some and mine work. I think the trick was to hit the rope with WD40 (or similar) and use gloves to minimise slippage (through your hands). I mainly used mine to hoist a bush shower into the trees, which, while it did not weigh as much as the engines they used to demo the Hitchmaster, still had a bit of weight in it.

The WD40 tip came from an exhibitor at the 4WD show where I bought them. I was discussing the hitches with him and he told me they came in of a morning and hit the rope with WD40. I tried it and it worked for me.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:07

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:07
Brian, let me know if you want to part with yours.......
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 20:55

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 20:55
Bill,
If I've still got it.... (and if I can find it....) it's yours!
I'll see if I can dig it up over the weekend and If I do find it, I'll MM you for an address to send it to.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:29

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:29
Thanks anyway Brian, but i just MM'd Steve as he has made a similar offer.
I appreciate your offer...

Cheers mate
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:58

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:58
You're very welcome Bill...

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 23:38

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 23:38
Roachie,

I know I'm late on the scene but you could start a shop if this keeps up.

Somewhere in my garage I have 2 of the things. Only been used once and that was to confuse me. I tie a truckie's hitch 'cause its easier. If I can find em you can have em.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 08:28

Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 08:28
Thanks for the offer Duncs, but I think the 2 that Steve is sending me will be enough to confuse the bejeezus outa me.....!!!!!!!! hahahah

Cheers mate

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Reply By: Bros 1 - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 14:17

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 14:17
Roachie,
Make sure that they dont get the di in microdiscectomy mixed up with the va in microvascectomy. LOL. All the best.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:07

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:07
Too late for that one mate.......been there, done that....... ouch....hahaha
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 16:50

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 16:50
Clove hitch and truckies hitch explained - with photos.

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Follow Up By: Moose - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 17:39

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 17:39
Hey Oldplodder - those clove hitch piccies look like they've mixed up some right to left with some left to right rope work. If you start with the left photo (top row) and work across the last one in the row looks to me like it can't follow on from the others. Not that I'm a knot expert !
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 19:28

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 19:28
hehe....someone started again and tied it differently the second time :-)

The strength formed in the clove hitch (by the cross binding nature of the knot) is disbanded by the extra half hitch....It is not any longer a clove hitch. Better off leaving the knot alone, or attaching the extra half hitch around the spar. Another similar knot which works brilliantly in similar situations is the aptly named Constrictor Hitch.

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:29

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:29
The advantage of the clove hitch is that you can tie itwhile the rope is under load.
One turn round, cinch it to hold the load, then around again and under.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:39

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:39
Nah, i prefer the round turn and two half hitches for that sorta stuff :-)

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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 08:18

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 08:18
I'm with Andrew,

The clove hitch was never designed to take any decent strain and in the wrong rope will simply slip.

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 18:11

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 18:11
Agree with you pajman. Clove hitch and a bit of movement in either end of the rope and it will slip.

The clove hitch and two half hitches are just that, hitches, or temporary ways to tie ropes. Not intended as a more reliable knot. Suppose that is the reason the term hitched is used.
I was always taught that there are hitches (temporary fastenings), bends (for joining ropes) and knots, which are more permanent fastenings.

With the clove hitch, it has always been recommended to me that you take the loose end around again and then tie a half hitch to secure the loose end.

Andrew, yes the constrictor is better, but I always felt harder to tie and undo when the rope is under load.

Like the reef knot. Always intended that you give one loose end a pull backwards and it turns itself into two half hitches, and easier to undo that way. Well, that is what I was shown. It use to be used for reefing sails onto the yards I understand.

Too many years sailing I suppose.
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Reply By: Gob & Denny - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:11

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:11
goodday roachie
mm me an address and i will send you a pair with instructions gratis

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:18

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:18
Blimey!

And I thought they were called a "Lifting Gizmo"

This site surely is a fountain of knowledge:-)

I didn't buy one last time we were looking at them together either Bill.
Always looks easy when the spruiker does it but then again, they do it 100 times a day rather than a couple times a year.

I have practiced the Truckies Hitch as well, but when it comes time to use it months down the track, I'm buggered if I can remember how its done.

I cheat and just tie a loop in the rope, pass the free end through, then pull down on it and tie it off.
Works the same for me, the only difference is having to undo the loop knot afterwards.

chug-a-lug!
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:25

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:25
G'day Bill,
Yeh, I used to do that too (put a knot in rope and leverage a load down with it).
I learnt how to do a truckies knot properly in March last year at the AGM of the SAAFWDC at Blanchetown; but I've forgotten again......(sort of know in my mind, but couldn't put it into practice when I needed to).
Cheers mate; might see you in Adeliade at the show in a couple of weeks??
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Reply By: Member - Robyn J (QLD) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:35

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:35
Hi Roachie
Just looked at the paper workd supplied with the one we brought many yars ago and have to admit have not used.
The paper work says manuafatured by Hitch Master PO Box 63 LONDONDERRY NSW 2753 phone 045 725770 fax 045 726851 mobile 018 216 300 or 018 203 277

As I said putchased a long long time ago and these phones ofr address my not be current
If you want to mess me off line I could fax the paperwork with adress and instructions on how to use it to you
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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:56

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 18:56
Hitch Master
PO Box 63
Londonderry NSW 2753

Phone (02) 45725770
Fax (02) 45726851

This is the info on the brochure supplied when I purchased my set of Hitch Masters. I don't recall exactly how long ago it was (quite a few years) and therefore can't vouch for the accuracy (now) of the telephone/fax numbers or address.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:30

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:30
Thanks DIO......
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Reply By: donks1 - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 20:46

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 20:46
i actually have two sets i bought years ago at the caravan show at rosehill racecourse.... i've never used them.... if i can find them in the garage you are welcome to them. i've got two sizes

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:28

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:28
Thanks mate, but I've just MM'd Steve who has made a similar offer. Seems there are a lot of people who bought these do-dads and have never used 'em or never been able to work out HOW to use 'em. I only hope I can get 'em to do what I want.... hahahaha
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:28

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 21:28
Bill, you mounting these rims vertically on the back of the box?

if so have a geezer at the latest 4x4monthly mag (one time cover star if i remember right) theres a landy ute with a great set-up which uses a beam mount that pivots down at the base so the wheels swing down from vertical to ground level . looks good and not too hard to make up.

The illuka mining utes have a great set-up on their trays (79 utes) where the tyres are side by side in a cage with the sides of the cage pivoting down to act as a ramp for the tyres. Pretty sure the trays are made in adelaide. You could make a similar cage for the back of yours, easy to lock up against theft etc. They had high lifts etc in there as well.

Take the time to learn the truckies though, its invaluable.

cheers Brad.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:14

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:14
Thanks Brad,
I did learn the truckies hitch last year and I practiced it here at home many times; but when it came time to use it a couple of weeks ago to tie down a load of rubbish for the tip, I couldn't put it into practice!!!! (silly old fart!!!)

Anyway, I have seen the fold down/up type on the back of Telstra trucks and it looks good. Mine sit a bit higher up and being 315/75R16, they are probably too heavy to even swing up.......also, the bottom the the tyre will be about 4 foot off the ground due to the overall lift of the truck.

I also thought of the ramp idea. I was going to make up a hungry board for each side of the tray and make them so they could be joined together into a 2.5m long ramp. But I still don't think that would be long enough. If this lift up idea doesn't work (either with these "gizmos" or maybe a handwinch), I might have to re-investigate the ramp idea.

Cheers mate

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Reply By: Chriscd - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:06

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:06
Hey Roachie,

Compare their usefullness to an ashtray on a well known brand of american motorcycle.

Try multiple truckies hitches.

Seeya

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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:34

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 22:34
Roachie,

They do work. I have had mine for years but don't use them cos I masdtered the truckies hitch.

They come in two sizes and I have both. If you haven't got any before I see you at Mt Pleasant let me know and I will bring them over with me.

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Follow Up By: V8 Troopie - Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 23:17

Friday, Feb 09, 2007 at 23:17
I think I know why these things work for some people and not for others.
Its to do with the type of rope used.
Ordinary natural fibre rope - no good.
High tech plaited syntetic rope - so so.
Best is the very slippery polysomething rope that comes in 3 strand version.

There is far too much friction around the 'hooks' with rope that's not stiff and slippery.

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Reply By: Grizzle - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 13:50

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 13:50
If it's what I' thinking of they are very limited in their application. I bought a set a couple of years ago and I couldn't get them to work. The biggest problem is that the rope has to slide around one attachment point ie tree etc. As you pull tight the friction of the rope jams it. We went to the Melbourne show and the same guy was there doing his demo. He uses a highly polished overhead bar and the rope is liberally lubricated with some form of grease or silicon lube. I confirmed this by grabbing the overhead bar. If you had a fixed bar overhead in your shed etc you could duplicate his set up and it would work. Out in the bush etc they are virtually useless.

I will have a look tonite and get the name for you.

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Reply By: Member - Pedro the One (QLD) - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 14:15

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 14:15
G'day Roachie ..................
sympathise with the problem of remembering the Truckies Hitch ....... have the same membery thing myself.

Solved it be getting on to www.netknots.com [can't do that site link thingy yet!] ... locating Truckies Hitch and downloading the page to Word, printing it in half quarto [eightho ??] size and then getting it laminated. Keep it in the glove-box and refer as required.
You can peek at it when no-ones looking and gain much prestige !!!! I actually coloured the diagram with highlighter pen to make it more clear.

Problem now is .... whereas before I always forgot how to do the hitch .... now I've forgotten where I put my pretty card ????

PS ....... The Trigg hitch from our previous deal is magic ..... make a big difference traipsing the gold tracks, not noted for their uniformity, ay !!! See my rig pix......

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