ZD30 intercooler repair project.

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 19:43
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As a few of you know I have a passing interest in intercoolers and as a specialist Tig welder I've had to build a few over the years mainly for the doof doof boys.
For quite some time I've been interested in the reports of ZD30 intercoolers leaking and I thought I would investigate why.
Luckily one of the posters here in Melbourne had one on his Patrol which he had tried to have repaired by both welding and glueing. Neither method worked and to be fair the way the welding was performed would have been the exact same method I would have used namely welding the offending tube/s at both ends after removing the endtanks.
Well I have cut off the endtanks and to be perfectly honest the intercooler itself appears to be made very lightly in construction especially the tubes coming through the header plates. The tubes are also made of a rolled construction which is joined along one seam by brazing these are then brazed to the header plate.
In comparison to a quality aftermarket core the construction is poor indeed and perhaps with the variation of boost pressure ranging from 15-30 psi in some cases they simply fail from the constant expansion and contraction.
The aftermarket cores by K&J, PWR and Adrad are all made of tubes that are of one piece extrusions (much stronger) which are then furnace brazed to the header plates.
I've seen many examples with the telltale weeping of oil in the corner of OEM I/coolers so it isn't an isolated occurence indeed the poster who's intercooler it is bought another from Nissan which has started leaking as well. Another person who contacted me about his leaking I/cooler when Nissan fobbed him off and told him it would cost him $950 for a new one went back to Nissan and said he had someone interested in cutting apart his intercooler to see what the possible problems could be. Well, in short Nissans price for a new I/cooler suddenly dropped from $950 to $0 and Nissan got to keep the I/cooler, probably a coincidence ;-) I suppose.
I am going to get a custom core built for this one and weld the original endtanks on and have made a jig (very basic) so I can ensure it all bolts back in place.
Below are a few pics of the removed core complete with welded tubes (not by me) and attempts to glue and of a sample aftermarket core (not full size, a sample only) in this instance made by Adrad in Adelaide to give an idea of how the cores are constructed.
Regards Andrew.











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Reply By: awill4x4 - Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 19:47

Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 19:47
The method above is exactly the same thing I will be doing to Truckster's TD6 intercooler with the exception we will be extending the core length by about 200mm to give it a much greater volume compared with his genuine one.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Wayne-o - Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 19:58

Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 19:58
So can u simply enlarge the intercooler and this will deliver more power? I have a TD-6 also, but i suppose retuning ir required once the larger unit is fitted?
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 20:20

Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 20:20
So can u simply enlarge the intercooler and this will deliver more power? I have a TD-6 also, but i suppose retuning ir required once the larger unit is fitted?

We don't know yet Wayne, I'm in the position that I like to play around with this kind of thing and Truckster is the Guinea Pig lol.
There will be some issues we have to address like I know the left hand I/cooler support bar has to be re routed to allow the air intake from the turbo to the I/cooler to be modified and the I/cooler mounts to the supports have to be changed.
Part of the I/cooler also won't be receiving much air from the air scoop either so we have to look at what we can accomplish there as well.
Still, I like projects and fabrication is my game so to speak and it'll keep me occupied.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: acdc - Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 20:51

Saturday, Feb 10, 2007 at 20:51
awill4x4,
If you have time to play! l'll have to talk to greg about increasing your work load!LOL!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 19:49

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 19:49
and make it snappy wit da inta coola

Nasty man calling me a pig... :'(
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Reply By: mattie - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:25

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:25
i have seen water cooled intercoolers, would these be more efficient intercoolers than the standard one you are doctoring
if not what are their advantages ?

Mattie
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:49

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:49
The main problem with water to air intercoolers are their cost as they are a lot more complicated to build and you need an extra water pump and dedicated radiator as well. Potentially I think they could be a good thing but the best one I've seen which was built by ARE in Qld for a competion GU cost around the 4-5K mark. but, it's a work of art and the motor (td42) was producing damn near 200 k/Watts at the wheels with 35" tyres. (until he blew it up)
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: c j - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:14

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:14
I was looking at the ARE site the other day and they do look nice but $$$. How about the PWR barrel water/ intercooler? I'm toying with the idea of putting an intercooled turbo diesel into my Suzuki and the standard setup use air/air but I thought that the water/air would be better for offroad and I could put the radiator with fan for it where the top mount air/air intercooler goes.
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Follow Up By: mattie - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 20:48

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 20:48
i assumed that there must have been a money factor.

Cheers Mattie
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:29

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:29
Hi awill4x4,

I have noticed a small oil weep in the lower RHS of my intercooler and after reading this I guess I may have a problem!

Apart from the oil weep, is there any issue in not doing anything? Does the "hole" get bigger over time or is there simply an oil weep and no real effect on performance?

Thanks for any advice

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 23:22

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 23:22
Captain yours sounds typical of the intercoolers failing. You may only have one tube leaking but quite often what seems to happen is the tube at the other end fails as well and possibly one of tubes next to the end one. That is what happened to the I/cooler I have posted pics of. 2 end tubes failed which were welded and sealed off then later a tube failed at the other end and it was clearly a losing battle. The 2 tubes being welded already meant a 10% loss of I/cooler tube volume.
I know a lot of people are quite matter of fact about the oil leaking but in my view there should be no oil entering the intercooler at all. If it is I would want to know exactly where it is coming from and my suspicion is it is coming from the rocker cover breather and is probably a result of blow by under boost. If I had a ZD30 (that's never going to happen, I'd never hear the end of it particularly from Truckster seeing we're founding members of the anti ZD30 club lol.) I would seriously consider fitting a well designed oil/air separator tank where the breather hose is routed to 1st then back into its original position pre turbo. This allows the oil to separate from the oil/air mist and not going through the intercooler.
Oil coating your intercooler tubes does not transfer heat well so it interferes with I/cooler efficiency.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 23:47

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 23:47
Thanks Andrew, all makes sense. What the cheapest way out of this - warranty ran of 3 months ago, typical? I saw another post about a $900 Nissan intercooler - won't go down that road. Is there an aftermarket one that willl fit straight in? Do PBR(?) make a IC?

But the GU will be for sale soon, was scheduled to go in Oct (I decided to wait for the V8 cruiser or Hummer or whatever else took my fancy at the time, 76 series looks interesting - have yet to buy the same vehicle twice).

I know you (and truckster) are president and vice president of the hand grenade club, but overall I am still very happy with my GU. But I only keep my vehicles for 3 years so i have a different view. But must admit would go for a 4.2 if keeping for greater 5+ years.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 00:29

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 00:29
The word from the local diesel mechanic is it is very hard to stop variable vain turbos from spitting oil.
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 01:14

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 01:14
Captain the problem with the ZD30 I/coolers from an aftermarket point of view is the complicated endtank design, it would be a nightmare to fabricate endtanks the same.
I wouldn't mind getting a few unusable ZD30 ones cutting the endtanks off, welding on new aftermarket cores to the original endtanks and maybe selling them on a changeover basis. I'm sure they could be done cheaper than the original ones being supplied by Nissan and with a much stronger core as well.

Muzzgit, I don't agree, there is no reason a variable vane should leak any more than a standard wastegated turbo. If a turbo is leaking oil into the inlet manifold it's coming from the compressor side and that's the same whether it's wastegate or variable vane.
A simple test to see if it's a breather hose problem is to pull the hose off where it goes into before the turbo and if it's obvious there is oil there then that's your problem.
Regards Andrew.
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