Landcruiser 100 Series (1999) Recovery Points

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 13:27
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My cruiser has 'eyelet' recovery points on the front - not hooks. Has anyone found this a hassle for recovery operations as I usually attach shackles to the eyelets to secure straps and chains. I am thinking of replacing the eyelets with hooks. Thanks.
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 13:36

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 13:36
They are NOT recovery points, they are tie down points for transporting the vehicle. They do have some strength to allow a vehicle to be towed but they are not designed to be used for pulling a vehicle out of a bog with a snatch strap.
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:04

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:04
As stated above, they are not recovery points but if they are bolted to the chassis using high tensile bolts, the 4WD State Training organisations accept them as a rated recovery point.
I have used mine on many occasions and they work perfectly. I do use a 10000kg bridle to attach the snatch strap to as this halves the load being placed on the vehicle when the recovery is being done. I use rated bow shackles to attach the bridle to the "eyelets"
Cheers

Des
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:07

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:07
ok youve opened a can of worms here alot will say they are just tie down points - tied down to what? the space shuttle atlantis? One look will tell you they could take a decent load but the proof is in the pudding `there would be a hell of alot of cruisers still stuck in the bush up to the axles including my own if they wernt strong enough
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Reply By: Johnnotoo - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:30

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:30
I have heard that some people remove the eyelets and have some extra weld placed on the fitting to strengthen it so as to use for recovery. I personally would see more integrity in doing that than installing cast steel hooks that are probably made in China anyway! Providing as mentioned, the bolts were high tensile.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:31

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:31
Thousands of folks use them regularly without incident, but it's naughty.

Bernie, you're much better off getting the hooks fitted which you can get in a pack from ARB. (and if you don't, you'll be cast into the eternal pits of hell by the self proclaimed lords of 4x4'ing or at least have to endure a condescending lecture about your sins)

All joking aside, snatch recoveries are dangerous and it's well worth your time learning the correct procedure.
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Follow Up By: traveller2 - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 15:20

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 15:20
Those loops should not be used for recovery especially snatch recovery in their standard form.
If you must use them remove and have additional welding done in the obvious spots and refit with grade 8 or better high tensile bolts.
I've looked at heaps of Toyota's over the years and both the design and the quality of the welding on the loops varies enourmously and funnily enough so does the bolts used to attach them.
The normal soft Tojo bolts have a dished centre on the top of the bolt and are pretty soft and weak. Some vehicles have Toyota's version of a high tensile bolts with a 7 or 8 in the top which should be ok.
I've also come across vehicles that people have just bough where the previous owner has removed accessories like a winch and bullbar and replaced the tow loops with hardware bolts!! Not good.
People at driver training days are not impressed when you point out that their pride and joy is unsafe for recovery use ;-))
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:10

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:10
the one test I saw done on them till destruction the loop and weld wasnt the weak point it was the actual plate the loop is attached to that failed. 2 tests were conducted with near identical results. However from the pictures i actually suspect they were only atached by 1 bolt which would have been a large reason for the failure the way they did.
and BTW they both failed from memory at .................................. 8 tonne!!
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 15:32

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 15:32
Bernie,

I would think that, if you are using shackles as you state, then eyelets would be just as good as hooks (better even). As long as they are strong enough and well secured as others have stated.

Get them checked by a professional that you trust is best I think. Spurred on by the dire warnings of death, disaster, destruction and the potential for the end of the world as we know it that are frequent on this forum, I dropped everything and bolted to ARB to have mine upgraded. Visa card in hand I asked the ARB guys to look at my existing points (80 series LC) and they told me that they were fine and that there was no need to change them.

A number of uses since then (pulling Nissans backwards is fun after all ;-)), and they have performed well.

No guru, but there you go.

Matt.
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 15:37

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 at 15:37
I too worried about recovering with the tie down eyes , so I went to Mannell Motors in Sydney's North and bought myself a pair of rated eyes with high tensile bolts . These eyes are built like a brick outhouse and sit in the same spot .

At the rear I have a block / shackle , which fits into the Hamon Reece towbar slot . I got this at Mannell Motors too .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:22

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:22
You can buy custom made 100series recovery points at some of the shops these days - I think my local Opposite Lock stocks them, and are probably the same as what Willie got from Mannells. But they do require a shackle.

The old method was to use a length of 50mm x 6mm thick angleiron. This would bolt direct to the chassis, and you could usually line up three 12mm thread captured nuts that are already there, and attach with HT bolts.
Then bolt a 10,000lb rated hook to the outside of the upright part of the angle.
Do this on both sides.

And always, use a equaliser strap between them when snatching.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:26

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:26
Phil,

By equaliser strap do you mean a backup between the two recovery points in case the primary one lets go? I saw this on one of the 4WD promo DVDs and it struck me as a good idea. I think they used a tree trunk protector from memory or spare snatch strap. No help if the snatch strap itself goes, but seemed like a sound plan to prevent launching a failed recovery point at a deadly pace.

Anyone seen this used in anger?

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 15:45

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 15:45
Hi Matt,
the use of an equaliser strap (also called Bridle or sling) is the recommended method being taught in SA. You can buy them or alternatively a tree truck protector can do the same job. I have a terrain tamer brand strap.

Its a non-elastic 3-4 metre strap that hooks onto both front recovery points and is fed thru the eye of the snatch strap.

Benefits are
- it halves the load on each recovery point,
- it pulls on both sides of the chassis,
- Should a recovery point break, the shackle and recovery point will be retained by the other side, preventing a missile.

Rather than use it for difficult snatches, we believe it should be used for all snatches. Like you say, if a snatch strap breaks, some slight damage can occur. If a recovery point breaks, the point and shackle can be a deadly missile.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:12

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:12
phil I looked at the work TD and its "tie down loops" are atached by 3 bolts rather than the normal 2, Is yours the same?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:30

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:30
Yep,
3 bolts for attaching each loop on the 78/79series. The loops are the recovery points. There's separate tie-down points further back.

It used to be just 2 on the 75series, and theres just 2 bolts with the Prados, 100series, 80series etc. I use a equaliser strap on the two loops, as you need shackles, and I don't like having to use shackles.
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Reply By: Member - Rossco td105(WA) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:36

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:36
Hi Bernie,

Have used the original points for recovery when I first started out, and as others have said, didn't have any problems with them. I still have them in a box in the shed somewhere. As the recoveries started to get more serious I looked around for a 'rated' point and found some from Outback Ideas that would bolt up to the live axle chasis rails. The bolt spacing is different to IFS models (apparently). Fitted with some high tensile bolts and work well.

Hope this helps,

Ross.
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