750 R 16s
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 20:57
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Hi all, recently purchased a set of 16" splits and 750s off a member [ thanks TopCat] for the MK. What a difference. The drive has vastly improved on the seal and I am very happy with the tyre performance. Next weekend I'll be out on a run which will involve a fair bit of sand driving. I've always used 31x10.5x15s in the past which have handled sand
well, but I'm not too sure how the 750s will go. Anyone able to advise me on what pressures to drop to and what characteristics these tyres have in the sand. LWB MK Patrol 2 occupants std recovery gear small toolbox bloody big eski. Many thanks.......Lionel.
Reply By: Member - Tour Boy- Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:24
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:24
G'day mate just air them down to about 20psi and see how you go. Being a LWB you may need to go lower but it is a good place to start. Like any low pressure driving DON'T turn too quick or you can roll them off the rim.
Enjoy
Tour Boy
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:28
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:28
Lionel
You could go as low as 8psi but then you would need to be going in a straight line.
I have run a tyre off the rim on beach sand at 12psi
15 to 20 psi is usually a good measure. Start at 20 and if it doesn't work for you go down to 15.
As said, avoid sudden turns
Skinny tyres normally have a longer footprint but not as wide as a tubeless.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: nissnut - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:43
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:43
Hi Willem, Ive heard that narrower tyres are able to reach or sink down to the more solid substructure and hence gain a little more traction. In your experience is this the case or simply an urban myth........Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:46
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:46
Urban myth mate
Once you break the surface, below is usually bttomless....LOL
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Follow Up By: Jimbo 2121 - Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 17:12
Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 17:12
Are we taking about sand or mud here?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 18:18
Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 18:18
Yeah Jimbo you have a point.
Mud, I was thinking about. Sand will compact unless you are close to the waters edge(like on
the beach) and if you hit a soft spot, its goodbye. Desert travel should be easier. Lots of variables.
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:37
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:37
Hi Lionel,
You will find that the 750/16 actually bag out better than the 31s.
The popular myth in letting tyres down for sand(and other appilcations)is that it gives the tyre a bigger footprint across the tread,WRONG, it makes the tyres longer and because the 750s have a bigger diamater they will have more tyre to be able to float on the sand.
I have 235/75 16s and they work
well in sand at around 20psi ,I have read on this
forum members who have gone as low as 10psi to get out of a situation and succeeded.
similar characteristic when driving on 31s that are low but keep an eye on tyre tempreture becuase with splits an tubes in the tyre they tend to get hot if driven a long time
I hope this helps
Shane,long live splits!
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Reply By: brummie pete - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:53
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 21:53
hi all ,its always interested me in regards to splits as we are planning a trip a bit off the beaten track later on in the year .
Some of the driving will be on the blacktop ,so what concerns me is how the splits with innertube stand up to the heat of consistant blacktop driving for say 12 hours or more in any one day .
I must admit i am a complete neanderthal when it comes down to tyre changing and although i have the Rand B beadbreaker for tubeless tyres ,i am completely useless at using the said contraption and only seem to be able to get the tyre off the rim .
In regards to splits i have found them easy easy and this is the reason for me possibly reverting to the splits when going out in the middle of whoop whoop .Thanks pete
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Follow Up By: nissnut - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 22:21
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 22:21
Pete, I worked for
Dunlop in their truck division many years ago, the biggest enemy of any tyre be it radial or xply was heat build up. This problem usually occurred when the tyre was used at low pressure or had suffered a
puncture and slowly deflated. The tyre and tube are designed to run all day so long as the recommended pressure is mantained. The bulk of shredded rubber you see on the roads is usually from truck trailers. This is generally because they pick up a spike which deflates a tyre but quite often they are not aware of the problem carry on then you have dissintergretion. So, in my opinion, you'll have no problems with splits. Having said this, none of the tech boys at
dunlop were 4wders, thats why I seek the advice of those on the
forum as it has always been drummed into me NEVER OPERATE AN UNDER INFLATED TYRE. Old habits die hard.......Lionel
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Follow Up By: nissnut - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 22:28
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 22:28
PS Pete, those rings on the splits are deadly if not seated correctly. When reinflating never take your eye off them. Lionel
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Follow Up By: brummie pete - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 23:28
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 23:28
thanks nissnut ,i think i will get my self a new set of tyres for my newly painted and cleaned splits and of course that opens a whole new conunderum and that is which tyres are best ? Obviously a multi purpose tyre which is not too noisy on tar but good enough to get me out of the poop when required .No doubt there is a heap of info in the archives but there is nothing like fresh imput .thanks pete
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:21
Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:21
pete,
I look at it this way, if you've got the tools, you'll most likely never need them, but leave them
home and Murphy will bite you in the bum.
I have a tireplyers kit and a Safety Seal kit and ever only had one "puncture".
The problem was, the tire was unable to be resurrected.
At least I got to use the 12 volt rattle gun.
!MPG:16!
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Follow Up By: brummie pete - Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 20:46
Monday, Feb 19, 2007 at 20:46
oh yes ,murphys law i guess the only way round that one is to tow an identical type of vehicle around with you .Might be expensive but almost full proof LOL
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Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 23:42
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 23:42
Hi Lionel, in all my years of sand driving on splits I've never gone lower then 20 psi tyre pressures & that's on radials & crossplys. I've found that is low enough to give sufficient traction. Glad you liked the deal. You got a good buy.Am enjoying
the block !!!!!! Cheers.
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Reply By: chumpion - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 14:55
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 14:55
We have a 105 Series GXL with the standard split rims, and spent all day Saturday on
Stockton Beach.
With 8 people in the vehicle, around 20psi was good enough for the northern end of
the beach, but we had to drop down to 15psi down the southern end near the wreck. The sand down there was just weird - my foot would sink a good 2-3 inches into the sand straight away..... the poor cruiser was digging trenches almost a foot deep in
places - and it was low tide!
It drove fine, albeit a little slow, and at 15psi, the dunes were quite easy to drive up and over. Engine power was the limiting factor, not so much tyres I reckon. There just wasn't enough grunt sometimes to get up some of the bigger ones without backing up and trying again. I did a couple in low range 2nd quite easily, so the tyres pressures must have been fine.
You'll find with the splits you can pump them up a little higher than normal (think 45psi) for long hauls on the blacktop, and the car will be a different beast all together. Fuel efficiency increases, and there seems to be a bit more power than at 38psi. My next tyres will probably be 235/85's on the 16" split rims, just to get a little bit more height.
Cheers,
Chris
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