Spanners that don't fit .!

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 20:33
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Anyone notice that 3/8 is not 10mm, 1/2in is not quite 12mm, etc. etc.?

When they changed to metric not everything worked out, or so it seems with my messy tool collection. When working on older vehicles i seem to end up with a armful of spanners and sockets , and nothing wants to fit! Very frustrating at times. Especially when you can't see the culprit you have to undo, ones to big , next to small, ARRRRRRRRRG.! Then you find the right size and drop the the B.... rd down a hole somewhere ,can't reach it , Haven't got another one, Chats are Trumps off to beg, borrow, or steal another.

Its one off those weekends

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: furph - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 20:47

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 20:47
Thats a good one axle!
So 3/8 aint 10mm? strange eh? perhaps its cos ones imperial, tother is metric. You might have also noticed that 1/2"af isnt 1/2"whit either.
Mate, it must be one of those weekends, if I were you I would drop that job and slip up to the local for a soothing drop.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 20:50

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 20:50
EH!!! What!!!!.
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Follow Up By: Outnabout David (SA) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:22

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:22
.......and apples ain't oranges either
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 20:51

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 20:51
Just be glad you are not working on an old machine that is BSW or BSF.
At least the yanks and Brits agreed on UNC & UNF as standards in the car industry a while ago.

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:29

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:29
yep
take our aussie copper pipe...we call it 12mm...but its actually 1/2inch...(12.5mm)
also our 6mm is a true 1/4 inch

cant get our 6mm copper pipe into a german made fitting (copper union/coupling)that is made to accept a 6mm pipe....simply will not go....same for all the other fittings

does anyone know what has happened to all the old second hand bsw or bs spanners, sockets etc etc ...go into any cash converters staore and all i can find is metric or af

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 19:43

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 19:43
Some people call 1/2" (12.7mm) 15mm!

Next door neightbour still has a set of bsf & bsw spanners.

Looks strange picking up a 1/2" spanner and it is about 20mm across the flats :o)
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:03

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:03
Axle

Looks like you and I are on the same wavelength.

After waiting two weeks for an new axle to be made for my house trailer, it arrived yesterday and mechanic man delivered it. This morning I take evrything apart on the trailer. U-bolts been rusted on for years so out with the angle grinder. Lay old axle against new one and there is a 70mm discrepancy. Nhyit!!!! Luckily new U bolts included with axle so have to refit fit everything to get trailer out of garage to work on truck.

Had repaired Clutch Handle on winch and fit everything back on to bullbar with much cursing and other language as I am doing job meself. Anyway get it all together, fit cable back on drum and start winding cable in. Cable winds in third of way and clutch lets go again. Cable unwinds again. Nhyit!!!! So there is another problem with winch. Bugger bugger bugger! Remove cable and store it and leave shed in disgust...enough crap for one day.

Everthing in life is metric except for U bolt nuts. They are 13/16. Luckily I have that size spanner...lol

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:21

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:21
HA HA HA ! That makes me feel better, Hope you get the winch prob sorted though, Bloody frustrating things like that.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:50

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:50
Hello young lad

If your over this way bring your winch, will try and sort it out for you

Ads
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:53

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:53
Thanks Ads

I see the Jack still has pride of place in the family..:-)

Cheers
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Reply By: Red One - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:03

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:03
Have had the same problem which disappeared when I bought sidchrome!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:24

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:24
That makes sense!.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:19

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:19
I don't know,,,,,,,,,,you youngsters today!!

Wait until you're really old like me and can remember having to work with FOUR different spanner sizes!!

Metric, UNF and UNC, Whitworth and BSF,,,,,,,,,

Gawd, you young uns today. Yer don't know yer born,,,,,,

I'll tell ya now that this very website was all feilds when I were a lad,,,,,,,,,,

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:34

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:34
Bibo! As my missus says , my spanyards are all mixed up! Like Me.lol.

Axle.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:24

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:24
Stop it Bilbo...yer making me feel young again. Mebbe we should call you Uncle Bilbo...lol

Could never afford a Sichrome set, so bought a HOPE set. Hope they fit.........

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Follow Up By: Dion - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:37

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:37
Try explaining to a youngster three on the tree!!.

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 23:08

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 23:08
AND UNC, UNF, UNEF, UNS
screw threads.....

What about BA and there are others for all you youngsters...

Grrr!!!

Mechanic with tool in hand etc.... Stop ya whinging you lot! - spanners are like women....

Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 23:42

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 23:42
,,,,,,,'n then there's BSP - British Standard Pipe Thread 'n British Cycle Thread and coming soon, Chinese National Slanted and Indian Vindaloo Coarse,,,,,,,,

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:54

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:54
have a couple of open ended BA
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Reply By: ross - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:22

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:22
Well I got sick of that and bundled all the imperial and the odd witworth and hung them from nails on my shed wall.
You do damage to hexagonals using the wrong spanner.

I have 2-3 of each metric size now so when I drop one I can keep going and pick it up off the ground when Im finished.
If I have to, I will cut my cheapest spanner in half if its too long
For the bastards that fall into places my fingers wont go,I have a couple of magnetic probes
Mirrors for seeing around corners are also usefull

Beware of those well finished shiny Indian made spanners in Supercheap. Some of them dont seem to be too accurate. My 19mm is closer to 20mm
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:30

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:30
HA HA!, You have just solved my problem, my last two spanner sets were gifts from my Dear INDIAN brother inlaw. ( True)

Axle.
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Follow Up By: Trevor M (SA) - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:35

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:35
a spanner will always fit something......maybe just not the thing you thought it was supposed to fit! Hahahah
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Follow Up By: steve&anja - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:46

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 21:46
Murphy's law
Interchangeable part wont,
If it wont move force it if it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:08

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:08
There are spanner sets called "Metrinch" and are compatable with ALL systems of nits and bolts.
They grip on the flats of the hex, not the corners and dont slip around the nut. Even grip rounded, damaged nuts and bolts. They are the best thing to have around.
But the only drawback is when ratcheting the socket rocks a bit back and forth during use. Otherwise they are great.
I have a set and resort to them when my metric Sidchrome fail me.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:40

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:40
what he said :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:58

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:58
SHIFTA'S...yehhhhh!!!

Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:27

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:27
Mole grips or Stilsens both work well as a universal spanner. In desperation, a cold chisel works to a degree.....
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:15

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:15
Good ole oxy torch is a great undoer.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Cheers Dodg.

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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:52

Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 22:52
I/2" was never the equivalent of 12mm, 12mm has no close imperial equivalent, neither does 10mm.
The closest are 7/16 to 11mm, 1/2" to 13mm, 9/16" to 14mm, 3/4" to 19mm, 7/8" to 22mm etc.
Any of the above are interchangeable & won't slip, but the previous poster was correct, you can't beat flank drive spanners & sockets.
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 00:07

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 00:07
11/16 and 17mm too
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy (SA) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 00:43

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 00:43
1 inch is 25.4mm, so 1/2 inch is 12.7 mm. That may be why a 12mm spanner won't fit a 1/2 inch nut.
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:47

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:47
Gday
And after all that, the steel manufacturer brings out a hex bar that is different to all sizes known to man.
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Reply By: troopyman - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:54

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:54
Just dont mention the troopy diff plugs .
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:58

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:58
My skin crawls reading this. Use the right tool for the job.

Do you want to know another name for a shifter? Portable lathe.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:49

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:49
heheheheh now that is the truest thing I have read for a while
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:38

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:38
shifters are are so called Walk-a-Bout spanners

when i was an apprentice i was always told to to go get the 6in/12in or whatever shifter...like a dollar for each mile i walked over the term of my apprenticeship i spent fetching them!.....i spent more time walkin back n forth to van than watching how to use one
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 15:59

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 15:59
Member No 1, I guess that is what Kiwis call a crizzant. They have had to fitch em here at times.........
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Reply By: brad1972 - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:16

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:16
acetylene powered spanners are the best.

Brad
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:38

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:38
thats cheating
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:59

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 13:59
Not the blue spanner!!! :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 16:00

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 16:00
Not the gas axe?
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Follow Up By: brad1972 - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 18:03

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 18:03
yep sits right next to the red handled masterkey
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 21:13

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 21:13
Would like a blue tipped spanner, until then I'll have to use the rotary file

(ie. 9" angle grinder)

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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:59

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:59
I have a mate just dropped a 9" on his foot. He is short one big toe and is off his feet for 8 weeks and then will have to learn how to walk again.

My angle grinder scares me more than my chainsaw.

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Follow Up By: Nick R - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:17

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:17
I have a healthy respect for both after having chunks of disc break off and hit me in the face, it was the first time for ages I didn't use protection, and then there was the time I tried to chop my knee cap in 2 with the chainsaw, 10 stiches, had to take 3 hours off work for that one........ and buy some new trousers and waterproofs....
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:59

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:59
Ah yes, DIY plastic surgery. Nothing like it. My left index finger is narrower then the right after I cut a grove through it with a grinder. I was too busy to get stitches so i just stuck it all back together with elastoplast. When I looked at it that night it seemed to have stuck so I covered it back up and left well enough alone.

A few weeks later all the scabs fell off and it looked OK, just a little narrower!

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Follow Up By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 14:02

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 14:02
You guys would have liked "The World's Fastest Indian" scene where old Bert Munro trims his toe nails with an angle grinder!

Great movie.

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 21:33

Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 21:33
anther good? scene was when he was taking the tread off the tyre so it wouldnt foul on anything at the speeds he was going
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 07:14

Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 07:14
That was a good movie
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 15:16

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 15:16
I love the pipe threads, what was 1/2"BSP is now 15mmBSP etc...1/8" BSPT is now 3.2mmBSPT... Oh yeah...Love it. At least my old BSP Taps & Dies fit current fittings...I just have to remember that I'm using Metric sizes LOL...
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Follow Up By: brad1972 - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 18:02

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 18:02
try getting the apprentice to work out inches to mm or vice verser makes setting valve clearances great fun
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 15:55

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 15:55
how about the jeep grand cherokee(yes i know its a jeep thing)alternator bolt
not 14mm 15mmor 16mm hmm 9/16 no 5/8 no
its 15.5 mm and thats about 1/2 un something.
lucky the other bloke had a metrich spanner.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 16:36

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 16:36
I told ya Metrinch are lifesavers.
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Reply By: Sign-man - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 17:27

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 17:27
And an 2400x1200 sheet of timber is 8x4, and a length of 4x2 ain't 4x2???
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 13:20

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 13:20
2440 x 1220 is 8 x 4
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 19:59

Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 19:59
Nah, you are all wrong.
A 12mm spanner is actually 1.2cm.

I had this argument with a government inspector on a job.
The Eurpoean ISO standard uses millimetres and metres.
But when Australia went metric, by law, the units in the aussie metric system are centimetres and metres.

Because,

It was easier for teachers to relate 1cm to 1/2" , and it was supposed the same for the general public in 1974 during the conversion period.

Of course, when some one wants to be really obtuse, you could talk in dm (decimetres).

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:50

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:50
real engineers use millimeters

you must be a dressmaker....dressmakers use centimetres!
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Follow Up By: brad1972 - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:47

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:47
or 1 mm equals 3.240783e-020 parsecs
1 parsec equals 3.085678e+025 nanometers
so a half inch spanner is 1.27e+007 nanometer spanner
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Follow Up By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 00:55

Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 00:55
Don't Know what trade you was in "Oldplodder" but there was only ever mm & Metres in the building trade.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 21:19

Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 21:19
Nope, couldn't get the government person to accept mm.
Been using them since 1974.

Refused to work in cm though.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 09:06

Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 09:06
Did you ever notice how difficult it is to buy a tape measure that is marked in MM rather rhan CM? It is so much easier to read if the scale goes into 1000 1500 2000 2500 etc . Bunnings had a dozen duds and only one good one the other day.

Kingo
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 14:40

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 14:40
Gday
Ther was a bloke talking about that realy small baby born the other day and he said that it was 240cm long?? Isnt that 7'10 1/2'' ......some baby..imagine feeding that in 13 yrs
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:27

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:27
Or even now ...... conjures up an interesting picture!
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Reply By: Member - Hurkmagurk (WA) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:56

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:56
You wonder when we will ever learn to relate to Metrics.

I was talking to a little girl a while back who proudly told me that she was " 2 foot 10" (or whatever). I mean, she would have to be about 3rd generation into Metrics, and she tells me her height in Imperial!
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