Battery charging
Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 21:36
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The Rambler( W.A.)
Just took my new camper trailer for a trial run on a 4 day camping trip.The trailer has a 135 amp hour marine battery which Iwas trying to charge with my 8 amp charger connected to the Honda 10i generator.ITseemed to partially charge the battery but looks like Ineed a bigger charger.Any info would be appreciated as Iknow very little about 12 volt electrics.
Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 21:54
Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 21:54
It all depends on what type of battery you have, most battery chargers will not charge deep cycle batterys correctly.
Your 8 amp battery charger may only charge at 2 to 4 amps per hour, the 8 amp maybe an RMS rated output.
Your 135 amp battery is only good for 100 amps......deep cycle batterys have a 75% usable capacity value.
If your battery was down to 75% and your battery charger was a constant 8 amp type it would take 12.5 hours to recharge it to 100%.
You may be better to run your vehicle on fast idle for an hour or so with the battery connected.
Why not use the battery charging function on your Honda genset instead.
Batterys and chargers are a very hard topic to cover.
Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: ferris - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 22:40
Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 22:40
I recall reading somewhere here that the Honda puts out 8 amps unregulated. That is, it's keeps on pumping in 8 amps regardless of the battery's capacity to handle the current. It would be better to hook a battery charger up to the generator. A battery of that size will need to be hooked up to the charger for at least 24 hours to achieve full charge, as they only accept charge at a slow rate when nearly full. Same applies for the alternator on your car. It will initially charge very rapidly, and then slow down. Even though an alternator maybe rated anywhere from 55 - 100 amps, it will still take a full day's driving to fully charge a 135 a/h battery.
Keep the shiny side up.
Ferris
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 00:44
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 00:44
Check out Site Link This says it all
PeterD
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 00:46
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 00:46
Was half a sleep when posting the previous - This says it all regarding a generators 12 V output not charging batteries.
PeterD
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Follow Up By: Robin - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:22
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:22
Hi Richard
Battery systems often create lots of discussion on this site , but I think you'll find very few that would go for using the gennies direct output for charging
except in an emergency.
Robin Miller
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Reply By: Member- Rox (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 22:04
Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 22:04
3 choices
Get an Anderson plug fitted to 4WD & camper
Buy a 3 stage charger from 12 volt
shop or similar
Use solar panels
all have their benefits.
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Follow Up By: Chucky - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 18:31
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 18:31
I run an anderson plug on my cruiser to the C/T. It is just parrelled off my AUX battery (Both my AUX battery and the battery in the C/T are the exact same). When I know I'll be somewhere for a awhile I'll leave the anderson plug connected to double the trailer capacity.
Solar is also ery handy but on a camper can be difficult to store. However my father out law uses a solar panel to help charge up the trailer battery when it is not charging off the car.
We only use a battery charger when we are at an powered site.
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 23:51
Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 23:51
Hi Rambler
I have a Christie Engineering charger
Its good flat battery (8 volts) charged up to 13 volts 1 Hr tested battery after and hour still OK at 12.8 volts no load
www.christieengineering.com.au/
Regards
Richard
PS. it's no good for anything else
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 00:06
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 00:06
Sorry ,the battery is 115 amp hr. and is a sealed ACDelco marine battery.Ihave an Anderson plug so there is no problem while running the vehicle.Ihave also tried using the charger on the generator but seems to take forever just as the seperate 8amp charger I tried .It looks as though the better option is to get a bigger 3 stage charger as I am not a solar panel fan at this stage.Ithought I would use the charger every second day while stationary.The battery is running one(maybe two) 40l Engel fridges and lights.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:37
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:37
Hi Rambler, you don’t post how long you actually have the battery charger connected to the battery.
An 8 amp battery charger will charge your battery, no matter how low the battery is but it will take time and putting a bigger charger on the battery will, depending on how low the battery is when you start to charge it, charge the battery quicker if the battery was fairly low.
If on the other hand, you use your 8 amp battery charger to keep the battery topped up rather than trying to charge the battery once it’s flat ( or low ), there will be little difference between your 8 amp charger or a bigger charge because the higher the State of Charge in your battery when your start charging it, the less current the battery will need and it’s the battery’s State of Charge that governs the amount of current going into the battery NOT the amount of current that a battery charger can produce.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Robin - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:33
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:33
That really is the way to go Rambler , and by getting a proper high current 3 stage charger you will minimize your generator run time and fuel use.
While a 15amp is cheaper I'd go for at least a 25amp unit if you can.
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:03
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:03
Hello Rambler, at this stage I would stick with the 8A charger, but maybe invest in an extra battery if you have the room....you say you sometimes use two engels, in which case will flatten one batt fairly quick...
I have 4 batts ( 35ah each ) in my camper with a 10A absorbed power charger and these run a Waeco 60ltr and lights for 4 days ( just )
As stated before you will need to run the charger for 6hrs ( or more ) to fully charge the batt..
Why not just run it for an hr or so every day ??
Are you travelling around or staying put in the one spot ?? Charge the batt off the 4x4 if you are moving around ?
A solar panel looks like the ideal answer ( unless it rains )
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:45
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:45
Been in the same place myself Rambler - I have a Yamaha 1000 inverter gennie - you can get 8A from the DC side of the gennie but its not regulated - some danger there re possible overcharging - I did have a 3.5A battery charger that employs 240V supply but that takes far too long of course. I chose to buy a 3 stage smart charger that pumps out 25A from a 240V supply - was about $350 (Power Saver brand) - Durst is one supplier - Derek (sponsor here) sells them too - there are a number of models in the range (higher - lower amps) - seems you spend more you get more amps - seems they are quite safe too - you just turn it all on and walk away - they have a sniff at the battery, then charge it, then maintain it - more amps available means less charging time.
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Reply By: wazzaaaa - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:48
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:48
Hi Rambler,
I have 3x 100ah AGM batterys in my van that I run 3 x 12v fridges off two on freeze at -20deg the other a fridge, as
well as running an 1800w inverter 24/7 to supply 240v to the van to run all the (what I consider unnessary) things my family HAS to have, toaster, tv, xbox, breadmaker the list goes on. I charge them for about 2 1/2 hours a day approx with two 25amp 3way battery charges running off my generator usually untill I see one of the chargers with a float light on and the other still on absorption. When I had one 100ah battery the one 25amp charger was fine but agms do charge faster so I'm told, I bought the chargers and batteries from Derek at affordable batteries.
Wazzaaaaaa
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 13:06
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 13:06
Thanks for all the usefull advice guys, and it looks as though I might go for a three stage charger either 15 or 25 amp.That way I shoudn't have to run the gene. for too long.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 14:22
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 14:22
3 to 5 hrs should be enough !!!
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Follow Up By: Member- Rox (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 23:08
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 23:08
Rambler Me again, We took Honda EU10i + a 3 stage 20amp charger from 12 volt
shop + an Anderson plug around OZ 12 months. We set up
camp turned the gen on & put on the bread maker + everything that needs charging, 3hrs + 5min latter bread cooked all batteries full (camera shaver laptop etc) then switch it all off for a quiet night. Electrical interference with the HF though. It all comes down to how long your staying in 1 place & what you like. PSA some Nat parks don't allow gen sets so just run your 4WD on idle to charge up. Rox
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