Tyres or Tubes?
Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 21:53
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Member - Fizz (NSW)
Have read lots about the hazzards of staking tyres along the Anne B, the Connie S, the Gun B and side tracks like the ones to Limejuice
Camp and
Sydney Yeo Chasm.
We're going along those roads in July/Aug in our Troopy with standard Toyota split rims, and I'm wondering what extra rubber to take.
Will have 1 spare wheel plus one spare tyre, but is there any point in taking a few tubes as
well? When tyres get damaged on roads like these are they usually completely stuffed? or is there a chance that a new tube would get us going again?
Thanks!
Reply By: Hairy - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 22:51
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 22:51
Gday,
Personaly I would take at least 2 spare wheels a few tubes and a spare tyre if yove got room.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: japmel - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 22:54
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 22:54
Snap........I must have been typing at the same time as you
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Reply By: japmel - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 22:52
Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 22:52
Mate at the least I would have 2 spare Wheels and 1 Spare Tyre (Caseing),
And it wouldn't be a silly idea to have a couple of Tubes as
well.
Your a long way from anywhere out there.
Regards
japmel
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Reply By: traveller2 - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:07
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:07
Having travelled all those tracks several times in a troopy with 7.50x16's, if you keep the speed down , watch the track and adjust tyre pressures to suit the conditions you should be ok with the standard spare, an extra case and a couple of tubes as
well as the mandatory patches for both tyres and tubes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Lindsay- Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:42
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:42
traveller2
I totally agree with you.
My trip in April last year resulted in only one
puncture on both car & trailer.
The track is mainly corrugated sand base with occassional rocky & ironstone sections.
The main threat for punctures is the small cane like sticks left by the many thousands of camels who inhabit this area chew up & spit out the tips of this particular tree (see Westprints Anne Beadell map & its notes).
You will see there footprints on most of the track as it is the easist route for them. Once embedded (usually in the side wall of a rear tyre from
debris made airborne by the front tyres) the air slowly leaks out through the hole in the centre of the stake. So it pays to
check your tyres regularly (a stich in time saves nine).
Most people who drive fast get lots of punctures (slow & steady wins the race).
Reduce highway pressures by 20% - softens the corrugations as
well.
Enjoy the journey
Lindsay & the polar bear
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Follow Up By: Member - Lindsay- Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:46
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:46
Thie photo below and another in member rigs & profile are both on the Anne Beadell
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Follow Up By: Member - Fizz (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:25
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:25
This may appear pretty dumb to many old hands - I know what patches for a tube are and how they are applied, but what is a TYRE patch? Is it what I've always known as a sleeve? If not, what are they and how are they fitted/applied in the bush?
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Follow Up By: traveller2 - Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:25
Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:25
Yes there are vulcanising patches for tyres, if you get a
puncture you should patch the tyre even though there is a tube inside. Two reasons, to stop moisture penetrating the tyre casing leading to corrosion of any steel belts and eventually tyre failure and to provide a smooth surface on the inside to prevent further punctures.
Once the tube has been repaired or replaced, find the hole on both the outside and inside of the tyre, clean both areas with solvent or if none available use unleaded petrol. Put vulcanising fluid into the hole from bothe sides if possible and then apply the patch on the inside noting the correct orientation if using radial tyre patches on radials.
Allow to dry/cure then dust the patched area on the inside with talcum powder to stop the tyre sticking to and abrading the tube.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:09
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:09
We travelled all that area in '05- including a lot of 'off-piste' deviations to interesting sites. Carried one extra spare complete and one extra case only. Had no probs. at all- no punctures & no mechanical issues. Just drive to the conditions and air-down if/when required. We were using tubeless radials on o/p rims (Bridgestone D693).
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Reply By: Old Gold - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:04
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:04
I always carry at least two spare tubes and a spare rust band. You never know!
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Reply By: Nav 8 - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:19
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:19
I thought split rims had to have tubes? Nav.
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 13:38
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 13:38
Me Too.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 14:11
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 14:11
Yup- that's right. Has there been mention of split rims not using tubes??
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Reply By: Johnnotoo - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:47
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:47
Also, make sure that all your tubes are quality tubes, not the Asian cheapies . The archives here will have info on this. I would also take off all of your tyres and put in new tubes prior to the trip too, that way you know what you are starting with. I believe Michelin etc make good quality tubes.
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Reply By: whyallacookie - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:14
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:14
Possibly a dumb question but..
Is it possible to get different duty tubes. Eh can you get a heavy duty tube to put in. Might not be suitable on high speed runs due to excessive heat build up but could be useful if travelling long stretches of this sort of terrain.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 07:42
Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 07:42
Yes, you can get heavy duty tubes. Truck or tractor tubes are thicker and have longer valve stems. Some people say that the longer stems can get caught in
debris and mud and be torn off but I have never seen it happen.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 13:50
Thursday, Mar 01, 2007 at 13:50
take a few tubes then you dont have to fix the
puncture in the old tube. its alot quicker. then if you want fix the tubes at your leusure
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Reply By: Member - Fizz (NSW) - Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 18:26
Friday, Mar 02, 2007 at 18:26
Thanks for all the helpful info.
It seems best to use any spare space for more tyres (cases)!
We might look at 1 spare wheel and 2 spare cases. We have a Troopy with a standard Rhino roof rack. I might push the rack back as far as possible and add a pair of roof bars in front of it to take the 2 cases. Might have to get roof bar legs specially made to cope with the slope forwards of the roof over the cab.
Thanks again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pedro the One (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 03, 2007 at 21:24
Saturday, Mar 03, 2007 at 21:24
Hi Fizz ................
I also have the 75 Troopy.
Before I 're-modelled' my camping Trailer I had a set of 3 UNISTRUT RoofBars and appropriate UNISTRUT legs to suit. These gave a good high lift of a sufficiency to clear the roofline easily. In fact, so much clearance that I mounted a couple of PVC tube carriers under the roofbars.
No sure of costs but they are very good units ............ I now have them mounted on my trailer, doing exactly the same function, just lower down !!
You can see them on the
Vrilya Point picture ........ !MPG:9!
[Cool .... didn't think I could do that !!!! ]
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Follow Up By: Member - Pedro the One (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 03, 2007 at 21:38
Saturday, Mar 03, 2007 at 21:38
Ooooops !!
In the
pic above the PVC tubes are mounted ABOVE the roofbars, for that trip.
The gold PVC tube is a 150mm x 3metre is a water carrier so is quite heavy, your spares would be pretty similar ........... I had no problems with the tube.
Of course, you will have the lifting and lowering to contend with ..............
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