Navistar to Ford: No Diesel for You!

Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 17:30
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Doesn’t look like we will be getting the F series back in Australia any time soon

"Navistar International announced today that it has stopped making 6.4-liter Powerstroke diesel engines for Ford after an apparent impasse between the two companies over warranty obligations and price increases.

Public signs of the dispute started in January, after Ford filed a lawsuit claiming Navistar unjustifiably raised engine prices and has not been living up to its end of the deal paying repair costs for PSDs under warranty.

In its public rebuttal, Navistar accuses Ford of not honoring the terms of its contract. Navistar spokesperson Roy Wiley says, "Navistar pays its suppliers and employees under contract terms and it expects Ford to honor the terms of its agreement."

The last Powerstrokes were shipped to Ford last week.

Ford is depending on a steady stream of these new oil burners to power its new 2008 Super Duty pickups. Diesels make up about 40 percent of all F-Series sales for the Blue Oval.

In shutting off the engine supply to Ford, Navistar will also (temporarily) shutter its Powerstroke factory in Indianapolis, Indiana, leaving 1,200 workers in neutral until the matter can be settled. Another factory in Huntsville, Alabama will continue to make the same engine for non-Ford applications.

Navistar and Ford have made significant investments in the 2008 Ford Super Duty pickups. Navistar invested over $100 million to retool for 6.4-liter Powerstroke production and Ford has suffered from poor sales of its entire F-Series line, which the new pickup is expected to help correct with its class leading capabilities.

An extended production outage of PSDs is only sure to bring more pain to Ford, Navistar, and their truck buyers."
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:04

Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:04
is that the model that has the $2000 replacement injectors? due every 100k klms ?
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:32

Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:32
Don’t know, that could possibly be the 6.0ltr that we never got hear, but was full of problems, One reason why we only got the 7.3’s over hear due the 6.0ltr being a POS.
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Reply By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:20

Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:20
Maybe all these car manufacturers should look to Isuzu, the biggest and most reliable diesel motor builder in the world.
Cheers Bruce.
OK I own a couple of what are they hahahahah have a nice night all.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:55

Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 21:55
Looks like the T444E 7.3l equipped F250's will continue to experience their 0% depreciation.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 22:30

Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 22:30
Yes but as we racked up another 8,000km this month on the Effie what are we going to replace it with in a couple of years???
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: PajeroTD - Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 22:35

Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 22:35
Actually its better than that... 10% APPreciation P/A!!! owners probably have to pay capital gain tax on their trucks!

And now with the announcement of the discontinuation of the 5.4L Petrol V8 250, they are starting to do the same!

I think Ford have the groundwork to produce their own diesel now. They are producing a 240kw/700Nm 4.4L V8 diesel for the F150 and Expedition. They SHOULD also make a 6.6L V12 version for the Superduty F250, F350 and F450 with 360kw/1000Nm! Or Ford could choose to use Cummins, but that would put them too close to Dodge.
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 23:51

Tuesday, Mar 06, 2007 at 23:51
A newton kilometre of torque.....how sweet it is!

Yes, a good mate of mine has an '04 F250 with just 15,000km's on it. Garaged all its life, all books, totally unmodified in any way, under Ford warranty until 2010 and spotless. As new. Nice little earner.

The possibilities with larger displacement variable vane turbo, intercooled CRD's is simply staggering. Even the old 7.3 was better on fuel by a long margin in a side by side comparison with my 4.5 Patrol.
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Wednesday, Mar 07, 2007 at 18:20

Wednesday, Mar 07, 2007 at 18:20
"Or Ford could choose to use Cummins, but that would put them too close to Dodge."

Yeahand also the sticker “I would rather be Cumming than power stroking” would lose all meaning LOL
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Wednesday, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:30

Wednesday, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:30
The rumour about the F-truck not coming is a few months old already
... the escalation of the situation is now just making all the engine troubles Ford
has with the diesel more public.

Dodge will bring the smaller trucks into OZ and Holden the H3 as you all know..

There is a fairly good infrastructure now to get the Silverado and the Sierra in ..

Not a loss really when the Fords don't come in anymore ... they are not really
a technical masterpiece ... the problem though is with the new diesel engines that we reached a point where power and efficiency suffers more and more due to
emission control stuff .. the new low sulfur diesel and microfilters cause maintenance trouble and the current commen rail technology seems at it's max .. piezo injectors will make the systems a bit more efficient than the current high pressure, flow calibrated Bosch injectors but thats about it I guess ... In the US GM is working on the new hybrid versions (Gas injected) and has the engine development in its own subsidiaries, where Ford only has external sources ...
I do not know all this first hand, but from what you hear when you deal with US dealers and Oz importers as well as US mates.

Will be interesting to see how many more conversion mobs now will jump on the bandwagon and smell money. The demand for a well trimmed, large and strong diesel is certainly there for all the fith wheelers and larger caravans.

will be interesting
gmd

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