Camper trailer axles

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 08:43
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We are in the process of ordering a new camper trailer and can't decide what axles and hubs to use. We currently have a 100 series with live front axle and the toyota steel rims (275/70), which we are planning on keeping for only another year or two. Does anybody know what wheel size and stud pattern the next series of wagons will have? Will it be ths same as the 17" IFS wagon now?
If the new wagon is the same, how would we get on using IFS rims and hubs on the trailer, with the camper spare the same as our tow vehicle. This way would give us 2 spares for our wagon. How would the new camper with IFS rims handle the old rims if we had to use one as a spare, given the different size (16 v's 17 inch) and the different depth of the rims. Would it fit?
Or do we just put the same rims on as our wagon now, and bit the bullet and pay the price to change rims and tyres when we change vehicles?? Decisions, decisions!!
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:00

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:00
"Does anybody know what wheel size and stud pattern the next series of wagons will have? Will it be ths same as the 17" IFS wagon now?" ????

Methinks Nostradamus was the only one who could see into the future. :-)))

Get hubs the same as your current vehicle and if for any reason you buy a vehicle with a diffrent stud pattern in the future then just change hubs and rims on the trailer. After all, if you can afford a new 4x4, a couple of trailer hubs and rims are chickenfeed.

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Follow Up By: Member - Steve T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:18

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:18
I agree with Willem 100%, I also use a 2 tonne axle on my trailers and have never broken a stub axle yet.
Cheers Steve Top End Explorer Tours
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Reply By: Ozrover - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:35

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:35
maf.

Yep, agree with Willem, you'll go mad trying to out guess the manufacturers.

I've currently got a series II Disco, the camper trailer has 5 stud 100 series wheels.

It's not worth it for me to change the wheels & hubs so I just carry a couple of spare tyre cases, as it's pretty rare to damage a rim (thou it may happen).
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 13:28

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 13:28
MAF

Your question heading is - Camper Trailer Axles - and in the next breath you talk about hubs, wheel sizes and stud patterns. What happened to the axles??

(1) AXLES

If you are going to use a 'beam axle' in the CT I would strongly suggest you get a square 50mm with paralell bearings. This will give you extra, larger load capacity.

Also they can be made to whatever length you require with very little extra cost.

(2) HUBS

You can fit whatever hub with whatever stud pattern you like on these axles.

eg, Toyota six stud, toyota five stud, nissan six stud, pajero whatever stud etc etc (within reason)

along with the appropriate bearings and seals of course.

Now having said that, there is bound to be some 'martian built', thing out that won't match up, but that is show biz. (LOL)

Sooooooooooo! have the CT hub std pattern matched to your vehicle.

(3) WHEELS & TYRES

Whatever you can or do fit on the vehicle can also fit on the CT by adjusting the axle length and axle/spring pack setup.

Very easy to do.

CONCLUSION

If you were to buy a new wagon all you would have to do is buy two new hubs with the same stud pattern and three new wheels to match and have the trailer 'rubber' changed to the new wheels.

Or if you insist, add matching tyres as well.

Another trick is get the CT axle as long (width wise on the CT) that you can, so that the tyres have as much clearance that you can get in the first instance.

If later, a new setup to match a new vehicle brings the CT tyres out past the guards a tad then thas what 'flares' are for.

How do I know this chit - well I have just spent 18 months building one of these suckers from ground up to my specs.
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Follow Up By: maf - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 14:12

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 14:12
Thanks for your advice. The axle question leads on to the rim and tyre decision. The trailer manufacturer is waiting for me to make up my mind as the centres on the older 100 series rims (16 inch) are quite different to the IFS rims (17inch) which have the wheel studs close to the outside of the rim. The axle length is longer for the IFS. I'm not sure that it is just a matter of changing hubs to upgrade.
I just hate the thought of cutting up axles of the tralier after only one or two trips to keep the track the same as a new wagon. Is it important to keep the wheel track the same as the tow vehicle?? (I'm guessing it is)
From what I've found out I'll be up for and axle shortening, as well as new rims and tyres when I get another vehicle.
I'm leaning towards setting it up the same as my hundred series and I'm going for the 50mm axle but I hate doing things twice.
I thought there may have been a toyota fanatic out ther who new the specs on the new wagon. Look foward to hearing some oponions.
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 14:45

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 14:45
MAF

Thats the fun bit of changing vehicles - it quite often requires a change in something else. (LOL)

Its nice if you can get the wheel tracks identical, but don't fret over it. An inch or two either way in no big deal in scope of things.

Also as I said above, you can normally/usually get new hubs, wheel, and tyres for the CT to match the new vehicle.

On Mine I am using Coopers 235/75/16 on the CT (were on the Troopy) and 265/75/16 on Troopy. So I have in effect 8 wheels and tyres that are interchangeable if necessary.

I also tow the CT behind our JEEP as well, however do change everything to match the JEEP, and therefore have only one spare ea for the vehicle and CT.

The real trick is to get the axle & spring setup on the CT correct so that it is compatible to future change without too much cost.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 21:28

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 21:28
Member Lucy...the master of OVERKILL............................lol
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 21:54

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 21:54
Just trying to assist here, where there seems to be a dearth of knowledge experience

also may be able to convince MAF to go for a JEEP in the future. (LOL)
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 21:56

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 21:56
maf/lucy,

I don't think it's very practical or ecconomical to replace your hubs and wheels every time you change vehicle. I have an off road trailer with toyota 5 stud pattern. It has 12" dexter electic brakes. I can't remeber what the price was to change the hubs for the electric brakes hubs to suit a Nissan stud patern but it was horrific. Plus you then had to spend another $300 on 3 new wheels and then the cost of swapping tyres to the new rims if the tyres are interchangable if not then add another $300/tyre ($900). Just not ecconomical in my view. Just do your best to judge what you think will do the job. Nice to also have the same trak as the vehicle but not necessarily essential.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 22:11

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 22:11
Most definitely Leroy.

However, I was just outling to MAF how he could keep things matched up if he changed trucks and ended up with different wheel/suspension specs.

Yes! it costs money every time you look anything to do with 4WD-ing, but thats what money is for - to make it go round (LOL)
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy (SA) - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 14:47

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 14:47
Good advice from everyone. With the 50mm axle, yes go for it, but it's most likely to be the springs or hangers that break, so make sure they are up to scratch.

It is good if the axle is the same as the track on the tow vehicle but not necessary. It is only good as it reduces drag when towing in a straight line through sand etc. But then you think with only a slight turn of the wheel and the tralier won't be going in the ruts anyway regardless of the track. A few millimetres won't do much at all. Worry about other things first.

Barnesy

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Follow Up By: Member - Steve T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 15:01

Sunday, Mar 11, 2007 at 15:01
I always try to make the distance between the rear wheels of the car and the trailer, the same distance as the front to rear of the car.
Cheers Steve.
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