simpson crossing

Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 16:37
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any feedback on the below distances I plan to travel. Are these realistic for one day each. What will be my average speed. I have done Googs so similar to that? Start and finish in Adelaide but these are the days I am unsure. I have done the Birdsville track so not too worried about that part, but the crossing I am unsure of.
Thanks,

Oodnaddata - Mt Dare 243km
Mt Dare - Purni Bore 140km Day 3 (good dirt)

Purni Bore - Lone Gum 188km Day 4 (slow going)

Lone Gum - K1 intersec 142km Day 5 (slow going)

K1 intersec - QAA Camp 144km Day 6 (slow going)

QAA Camp - Birdsville 97km Day 7 (slow going)

Birdsville - Mungerannie 317km Day 8 (average dirt)
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:09

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:09
5 days from Mt Dare to Birdsville seems OK. Suppose it all depends on time of year and the other variables like what vehicle, towing anything and the like. We found the flies a little testing so did the distance in 3 days but didn't feel rushed at all.

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:17

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:17
Beatit's pretty much on the ball - it depends on what you want to do out there really.

5 days makes for a good relaxed winter crossing with no pressure.

On the other hand, if it were wet, you might have more of a challenge ahead of you.

Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:28

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:28
yep don't want to rush it.
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:16

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:16
I take it you intend giving Dalhousie a miss.

Good idea if you don't want to was time exploring and having a good time swimming in the mega large hot springs, or make a telephone call if you need to etc etc.

Also you will only need about 4 hrs foe the Birdsville - Mungerannie leg of the trip.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 18:36

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 18:36
We stopped camping at Dalhousie about 4 crossings ago. Too many people, too "regimented". So we always bush camp either side of it and aim for a liesurely lunch at Dalhousie after people have left and the next lot haven't arrived.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:19

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:19
Gossy,

The forth day might be a bit long. The last part of the crossing heading into Birdsville is the quickest part of the crossing compared to the rest of the trip.

I will average 16/18 kph on a good day on a good run. If the wind should come up like last October or you have or come across someone with a problem, the average will go out the window.

Drive to the conditions and not the itinerary.

What time of year are you going to do the crossing?
How many vehicles in the convey?
What tracks do you plan to use?
What vehicle are you driving?
Are you towing a trailer?
Auto or manual?

All these variables will also impact on the amount of distance travelled per day.

Wayne
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Reply By: RobAck - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:26

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:26
About the ony thing to add is that Birdsville to Mungarannie is not average dirt. That is the rockiest sectin with plenty of creeks crossing the road and filled with gibbers. As the graders have been working up there for a while after all the flooding you have the potential to experience cracked gibber which acts to neatly slice open tyres. Given the only puncture I have experienced was on that section of road it can be a trap. Check with Birdsville Auto on suggested tyre pressues but on that section we run 26psi and no faster than 90 kph. Works for us

As you will be purchasing a desert parks pass take the time to read all the really good information in the handbook

Regards and have a great trip

RobA
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:30

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:30
yep done this part before and agree I got some rips in the tread. Ran about 25 PSI from memory.
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:27

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:27
a) no trailers
b) 2 bikes and 2 cars
c) 1 x V8 land rover and 1 x 96 GQ 2.8td patrol (mine)
d) both manuals
e) plan to start on french line, down to rig rd, then back up K1 to Poeppel corner then across to Birdsville
f) crossing in July. Day 3 is 3rd July
g) yes going to Mt Dare to pick up the satellite phone and then drop this off in Birdsville.

I guess we are not committed to stop at the designated spots I have mentioned. If the day gets too long we can just stop and setup camp. I think we have given ourselves enough time to cross without pushing it though? Want to relax and have time to sit around and enjoy the scenery also. If it rains we still have to miss the rig rd.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 19:18

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 19:18
Gossy,

The V8 Land Rover will go through the fuel. Just make sure that you have enough.

The bikes can be a problem. Not so much getting across but to be seen by oncoming vehicles. A flag atop a high pole would be very good if it can be rig up.

When you are going across, take the top of the sand dunes. I will be about 4/5 days behind you and that should make my trip a little easer.

Wayne
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Reply By: redfive - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:32

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 17:32
Hi Gossy

I have done the Simpson 2 times first time west to east and the last trip east to west both trips took 3 days 2 night and we saw everything there is to see lone gum and so on you can do Poeppel to Birdsville easy in a day but does depend on conditions the Rig road is very easy some parts of the French line are there are some dunes that may take 2 or 3 gos to get over but mostly its a beautiful place and you will love it

Glenn
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:53

Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:53
done Birdsville, Innaminka, Coongie Lakes etc etc so looking forward to doing this part of the state which I haven't seen. Just hope the weather is good. I know the nights will be cold but just hope we don't get too much rain (or even better; none!).
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 18:57

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 18:57
5 days does it in comfort.
Day 3 Oodnadatta to Purni via Mt Dare , will be a long day, especially because you'll be stopping at Dalhousie for a swim, checking the great waterhole at Eringa, and you may want to divert to see Dalhousie Ruins. My guess is that you'll spend the night at Dalhousie.

Day 4 Purni Bore to Lone Gum via WAA is easy, and may take about 3-4 hours.

Day 5 Lone Gum to K1 intersection is about 3-4 hours

Day 6 K1 to camp on QAA is again about 3-4 hours; but you'll visit Poeppels corner, the lakes, and you may want to divert up as far as Beachcomber Well.

Day 7 QAA camp to Birdsville is about 2-3 hours + play time on Big Red. At Birdsville its nice to settle in to the Caravan Park early, then check out the Museum, Pub etc and in the evening visit the Blue Poles Gallery for some coffee and cake

Day 8 Birdsville to Mungarannie. easy 4 hours. People who damage tyres almost invariably travel too fast in overloaded vehicles. I also run pressures about 24-25.

Regarding travel - go at a pace that you enjoy, have plenty of stops to look and walk around; climb the dunes in the mornings; check out everything that you come across, and try not to get in a traffic jam with the July crowds.
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Follow Up By: Allan JJ - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 20:53

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 20:53
Phil
What is actually at Beachcomber Well
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 21:38

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 21:38
Allan,
As you head north from the QAA Line, you'll pass the remains of Poeppels oil well and then on to Beachcomber well. Theres not much left there - both have welded signposts and bits of shrapnel lying around. A mate used to work in oil exploration, and he showed us what areas would have been used for (not obvious to an untrained eye). I think oil exploration stopped there in 1988.

You can continue on east from Beachcomber well following a well worn shotline that links up with the Hay River track. We tend to like to drift north into these areas because you can camp away from the riffraff and have some great campsites in the Gidgee. North of the shotline, is a very interesting part of the desert - burnt out quite severely in 2001 or 2002, this area has mobile sand, great dunes and can be an interesting navigation challenge because the tracks disappear.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:55

Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:55
3-4hrs sounds good. It will be tough going on the bikes so have to think of that also. gives us time to setup camp, take photos, relax etc.
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Reply By: Member - Ian S (NT) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 19:34

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 19:34
Hi Gossy,

Just arrived at Mt Dare again today having tried to cross the Simpson 10 days ago. The water is running a banker on the Eyre Creek channels and was up to 1/2 km wide in places with no way around the wet weather bypass. Warbuton Creek is also up behind Clifton Hills. No doubt this will all be OK sometime after Easter but Eyre Creek will be be boggy for some time.

The intersection at K1 and the Rig Road and back the first 3km west is dangerous with lips on both sides of the dune. We did an extensive trip around the Simpson Tracks in November last.

Good news is that the eastern side of the desert was an improvement on this time last year.

Anything over 3 days is a treat when crossing. The old expression is it takes 24 hours to cross, 2 x 12 hour days or 3 x 8 hour days or 4 x 6 hour days.

Enjoy
Regards
Ian@Mt Dare

Tlast week
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Follow Up By: kimprado - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 20:31

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 20:31
Ian

What condition is the Spring Creek Delta in at the moment?

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Allan JJ - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 20:37

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 20:37
Does that mean you actually got as far as eyre creek from Mt Dare?
What do you think of the chances it will be passable at easter?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 21:47

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 21:47
Wow Ian,

Sounds like it will be a great trip when the Eyre Creek Bypass eventually opens. We had a great time up at Goonamillera waterhole last time Eyre Ck flooded (?2001) - birdlife there was brilliant.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:56

Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:56
hopefully it's dried up a bit by July!
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian S (NT) - Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 14:48

Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 14:48
Hi All,

Kim, the Spring Creek Delta is closed, not through weather but so the rangers can keep folks off it. The Binji Low track (the bypass) is open but gets rougher each season. The rangers were here this morning and does sound as if some maintenance will be done. Freith Junction is OK too. So no access problems to the Simpson from the west. A sign will be made to advise that you will not be able to make a complete crossing but will have to enter and exit on the western side.

Allan JJ, we accessed Eyre Creek from Birdsville then came the long way round via the Plenty to get to Mt Dare.

Regards
Ian@Mt Dare
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 06:38

Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 06:38
Its not the time you take to do the " crossing ", its how easy you are on your vehicle, and how safe you are.
1996 crossing, did it in a leisurely 90-100 km a day, and took in heaps.

You gotta love the place, especially with the mob from the York Peninsula 4x4 Club.

Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:43

Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:43
There's a beggar for punishment ... Yorkie's mob. chuckle.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:58

Wednesday, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:58
yes good point. 4wding can be a great past time but it can be very expensive if you are an idiot with your own car. It's amazing what a well set up vehicle can do if you take it easy. I have hammered mine on many trips and I have never done any maintenance work from abuse. Just basic servicing and it's still as good as new.
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