Deep Cycle Battery
Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 17:14
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pprass
Hello battery experts,
Currently on eBay, a company in NSW is selling deep cycle batteries with the following specs:
BATTERY 12V 120AH-130AH SLA DEEPCYCLE/AGM SEALED
12V 120AH @10hr rate
12v 130AH @ 20hr rate
1000cca
Can someone explain what the @10hr rate and @ 20hr rate means?
Also what does the 1000cca mean?
I currently have an Exide sealed battery which is just 50AH which was expensive compared to an unsealed battery, but 50AH is a bit light on with what I run when were camped. These AGM batteries look pretty good for the price, once I understand what the specs mean!
Thanks
Peter
Reply By: Mark Taylor - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 20:18
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 20:18
The 10 hour rate and the 20 hour rate. I used to be an auto sparky....
Let me see if I can remember my auto electrical theory from 30 years ago.
No battery will give 130 amps for one hour.
So... it might give 13 amps for 10 hours (a good battery)
Or it might give 6.5 amps for 20 hours. (Not so good battery)
Whenever amp hour ratings are mentioned. always ask if they are 10 hour rate or 20 hour rate. The 10 hour rate is a better perfoming battery.
Hope this helps
Let me know if I've confused you more.
Cheers
mark T
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Follow Up By: pprass - Thursday, Mar 22, 2007 at 11:39
Thursday, Mar 22, 2007 at 11:39
Thanks Mark
To make sure I understand, does that mean that a 20hr @ 6.5amps battery will only produce a max of 6.5amps at any time so if I had an appliance that drew 8amps it wouldn't work?
Also if I have a fridge that _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx 2.5amps then the 10hr & 20hr batteries would be ok, but I would be wasting the 10hr battery capacity so I should go for the 20hr one?
Peter
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Thursday, Mar 22, 2007 at 21:06
Thursday, Mar 22, 2007 at 21:06
Hi Peter.. I think we're not understanding each other.
Let me see...
The battery you have at the start of this thread says:
12V 120AH @10hr rate
12v 130AH @ 20hr rate
1000cca
Let's start at the bottom and work our way up.
1000CCA simply means that the battery can supply 1000 amps in a single draw to start an engine for example and not self destruct. Obviously, it can't do this for long. (Cold Cranking Amps)
130 AH @ 20 hour rate means supply of power of 6.5 amps per hour for 20 hours
120 AH @ 10 hour rate means supply of power of 13 amps per hour for 10 hours
The big advantage of these AGM batteries is this:
With a wet cell battery you really can't use more than half their capacity without damaging them. So a 50 AH wet cell is good for 25 amp hour.
With an AGM you can use up to 90% of their capacity without causing damage to the battery. So, for the purpose of the math we'll use the 120 rate as above. You can get 90% of the 120 AH rating to use, which is 108 amp hours of power.
To get this with a wet cell (remembering the only use 50% rule) you will need a battery bank of 220 amp hours at the 10 hour rate.
Does this help. I have a 130 AGM in my CT and it runs lights and Waeco for 3 - 4 days no problems. Have not gone away for longer period than that, but the previous 100 amp hour wet cell used to die at day 3. Your mileage may vary as it depands on lots of variables such at ambient temp etc and how often your fridge is opened/restocked and how many lights and how long they are on for.
I hope I have explained this to you OK.
Any dramas.. please let me know.
Cheers
mark t
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Follow Up By: pprass - Friday, Mar 23, 2007 at 15:07
Friday, Mar 23, 2007 at 15:07
OK - I think I was over complicating the facts. Thanks for being patient.
Just one other question - if a battery is rated at 130 AH @ 20 hour it means that it will supply power of 6.5 amps per hour for 20 hours - right! So if I am drawing just 2.5amps per hour, what happens to the other 4 amps?
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Mar 23, 2007 at 21:07
Friday, Mar 23, 2007 at 21:07
Mark,
are your numbers correct ??
"I have a 130 AGM in my CT and it runs lights and Waeco for 3 - 4 days no problems. Have not gone away for longer period than that, but the previous 100 amp hour wet cell used to die at day 3"
(130ah AGM battery) 118ah usable power, divided by ~4ah = 33 'continuous' hours
(100ah wet cell battery) 50ah usable power, divided by ~4ah = 12.5 'continuous' hours
"Mathematically" the numbers indicate the 130ah AGM would last almost 3 times longer than a 100ah wet cell battery ??
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Friday, Mar 23, 2007 at 15:54
Friday, Mar 23, 2007 at 15:54
Well.. the other amp hours don't dissappear.
What happens is simply this... you will get a longer period of power. The 120 AH at the 10 hour rate etc is just a standard for batteries to measured to. So you can compare apples with apples.
Sort of like 1 carton of light beer will last the average Joe for 14 days. But for me it will last for 3 months 'cause I don't drink as much beer.
With you, your battery will last longer because you are not drawing as much power.
i guess in short, the answer is the other AMP Hours are just waiting for you to use them.
Hope this is not too confusing.
Let me know if I've made it worse :-)
Cheers
Mark T
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Follow Up By: pprass - Saturday, Mar 24, 2007 at 10:14
Saturday, Mar 24, 2007 at 10:14
Thanks Mark and all others who have helped me to understand.
Peter
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