Custom chopping board

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Hi all,

I would like to get a custom made chopping board made up for the camper to fit snuggly in a sliding tray in our panrty draw. The type I am after is the white plastic type (generaly found in most kitchens) and the size is quite large at about 625mm x 390mm x 20mm.

Would anyone know what this stuff is made of/called and of anyone Australia wide who would be capable of servicing a request. I went into some shops today to see what this stuff is called but it was not mentioned on any of the packaging.

Alternatively any other ideas regarding material or places that would supply would also be appreciated.

Regards
David
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Reply By: Member - Steve T (NT) - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:14

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:14
Hi Grungle.

Try a butcher shop they use large nylon style chopping boards, perhaps they could point you in the right direction.

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Robin - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:29

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:29
Plastics suppliers do sell it in sheet David , and could assist you.

One thing that suprized me was that a study showed that wood was significantly a better health option here with lot lower levels of bacteria growth than plastic.

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 16:24

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 16:24
yep...wood is the go
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 17:34

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 17:34
Very interesting. I use nylon chopping boards and ensure they go through the dishwasher (except when bush - although maybe... :) which uses a fairly nasty detergent at about 70C, I thought that would kill most stuff. I doubt one could put a wood board through the dishwasher regularly?

Also, I thought butchers shops were banned from using the old wood chopping tables a few years ago?

Anyone got any authoritative references?

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Follow Up By: Robin - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:08

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:08
Can't recall a time/date reference for the show I saw about this about 4 weeks ago Mike and this is a bit hazy but , I remember that it was for a slightly strange reason.

Apparently you have to wash really well and even good washing only gets so many bugs and they multiply fast.

Apparently what happens is that wood cuts are deeper and underlying material is porous , end result being that most bacteria end up at a greater average depth sort of like a foam air filter and so don't get fed from surface food leading to them dying more readily than surface bacteria as per glass and plastic.

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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:26

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:26
From a State Health Dept web site:

What kind of chopping board is best to avoid cross contamination?
In the home it really doesn't matter whether you have wooden, plastic or glass
chopping boards so long as they are kept really clean and in good condition. The
porous nature of wood makes it advisable to use plastic or glass chopping boards for
raw meat, poultry and seafood. It may be easiest to have two boards - one for raw
food and one for ready to eat food. All chopping boards should be scrubbed with hot
water and detergent after preparing raw foods. Plastic chopping boards are good as
they can be washed at high temperatures in the dishwasher. However, any board
should be replaced when its surface becomes scratched because bacteria can hide
in the scratches.

Hope this helps

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:45

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:45
That was always my feeling Kev - although what I know about microbiology you could write on a postage stamp! :) Glass chopping boards are seriously O-U-T! Why would I buy Global knives and then stuff them up by cutting on glass!!!???

Any other sources in support of wood anyone?

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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:52

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 18:52
Either way I use a food grade chlorine to clean my chopping boards ( I have 3 plastic and 2 wood).

If they are a bit to far gone then just throw a bit of brake fluid in as well and that kills everything LOL

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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 09:35

Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 09:35
Never understood the glass chopping board thing either. Worse than useless.
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 13:09

Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 13:09
I'll also throw my 2 bob behind the argument for wood, haven't got the evidence, but it was always a known thing in the trade (ex cabinet maker), and have seen it don on one of the crap lifestyle shows on TV which backed the wood. I don't think there is anything better than an end grain wood chopping board for your knives, and I think the amount of food poisoning that can be atributed to chopping boards would be almost non existant. Having said all that, I take a plastic one camping and on the boat, and use generally poor quality knives camping and the flash filleting knife only touches the fish (and the odd finger), not the board. The plastic is stronger and cheaper. Just buy a cheap one or a sheet as mintioned earlier, and cut it to size (woodworking gear usually cuts it quite well.

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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 13:58

Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 13:58
Yep saw the same show as Robin but can't remember if it was a lifestyle or ACA. In any case wood came out on top well above plastic which i found very surprising.
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Reply By: Rocky_QLD - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:39

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:39
A Ceramic Tile cut to size could be another option.

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 16:24

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 16:24
ceramic tile is a tad to brittle for camping dont you think
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 16:49

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 16:49
Not real good on your knife either.
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Follow Up By: Rocky_QLD - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 19:24

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 19:24
Not really ours is inlaid into the kitchen bench top, works a treat.
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Reply By: Tony - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:49

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:49
Go to a place that makes kitchen and barthrooms, you can get the bits that are cut out for sinks etc. They make great cutting boards. When marked and stained go back and get another one.
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Reply By: Jim-Bob - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:56

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 14:56
Hi Grungle

What you can use is HDPE (high density poly etheleyne),-spelling, I dont Know where your at but you could try contacting Specialised Wholesale & Plastics at
30 Verulam Road Lambton, Newcastle, NSW Post Code 2299, Phone (02) 4952 4544.
They can supply but I'm not sure about machining.

Safe Travells

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Follow Up By: gav99x - Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 12:14

Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 12:14
Yep that's the stuff. It's meant to be food grade plastic basically.

I bought a sheet to make a cutting board for the boat from a plastics place in Artarmon here in Sydney, not that cheap but is the right stuff for the job.

This was the place from memory:

www.cuttosize.com.au/
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Reply By: Steve63 - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 17:19

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 17:19
Any plastics place will be able to help you. I have one 800 x 500 x 15 and I have seen one twice this size that basically covered a whole bench. I think mine was $12. Professional kitchens use them so they are readily available. You often see them in cooking/home type shops. A word of warning. If you use this type of board make sure it is cleaned well. When they get a bit cut up they can harbour bacteria from meat products. Generous amounts of water and detergent with a good scrub are required. A better idea is to have one of a different colour that you only use for meat. Meat is usually cooked shortly after preperation so any contamination is still light. I chuck ours in a bleach solution overnight when we get home. Wood is a little better as it has an enzyme that tends to kill the bacteria.

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Reply By: Ozymacca - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 17:41

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 17:41
Dotmar is the company you are looking for they are at Ryde NSW the person you should speak to is Glen Harrison he will look after your needs they would have to be the leading company in Australia for all type's of plastics if you have trouble finding their number drop me a email & I will organize some phone numbers for you to ring.

Cheers Macca
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Reply By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 19:51

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 19:51
Is it Hygenic ?
Independent research carried out by Professor Dean Cliver at the University of Wisconsin Food Research Unit has shown that wooden chopping boards are as safe, if not safer, to use in the kitchen than plastic boards.

Professor Cliver carried out experiments designed to emulate conditions in a domestic kitchen. He found that wooden chopping boards absorbed bacteria which could not be retrieved from the wood and would therefore not present a health hazard to foods later prepared on the board. Professor Cliver found that once the plastic boards were knife scored, the bacteria would "hide" in the scores and the boards would be very difficult to clean, although this did not represent a significant health hazard.

Professor Cliver thinks that more work should be done on the merits of wooden boards as the research so far shows that wood is hygienic to use in the kitchen.

Contact: Food Research Unit, University of Wisconsin, U.S.A.
Tel: 00 1 608 263 6937 Fax: 00 1 608 263 1114

That's my contribution but I still like the plastic for camping...

Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 19:52

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 at 19:52
A bit more !!!

WOOD KILLS BACTERIA

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This is something that all woodworkers should read. I have been trying to get a copy of this article for over 6 years, since I first heard about it. Finally here it is. Thanks to Judy & John Wheeler.

THE AGE THURSDAY 23 FEBRUARY 1993 reprinted from New York Times

TIMBER CUTTING BOARDS HAVE THE WOOD ON PLASTIC
EVERY now and then a scientific finding flies in the face of conventional wisdom. And so it was with an accidental discovery By microbiologists at an American university that wooden cutting boards kill food-poisoning bacteria that survive very nicely on the plastic boards that have been widely promoted for years as safer than wood.

Scientists from the University of Wisconsin’s Food Research Institute stumbled upon the finding while seeking ways to decontaminate wooden boards and make them as “safe” as plastic.

Much to their surprise, they found that when boards were purposely contaminated with organisms such as salmonella, listeria and Escherichia coli that are common causes of food poisoning, 99.9 per cent of the bacteria died off within three minutes on the wooden boards, while none died on the plastic ones.

When contaminated boards were left unwashed overnight at room temperature, bacterial counts increased on the plastic, but none of the organisms could be recovered from the wooden boards the next morning.

It had long been believed that disease-causing bacteria from raw foods such as chicken would soak into a wooden board and be difficult to remove, even when washed; then when . other foods, such as salad ingredients that are eaten raw, are cut on the same board, the dangerous bacteria could be picked up by them and transferred alive to the consumer. Plastic was assumed to be safer because it is nonporous and contaminating organisms could be readily washed off.

Based on the new studies, scientist Dr Dean Cliver said: “Wood may be preferable in that small lapses in sanitary practices are not as dangerous on wood as on plastic.”

But he cautioned against being “sloppy about safety” and warned cooks to be sure to wash off cutting surfaces after cutting meat, chicken or, fish, whether the surface used is wood - or plastic

The researchers tested boards made from seven different species of trees and four types of plastic and found similar results: wood was safer than plastic, regardless of the materials used.

Thus far, however, the researchers have been unable to isolate the agents in wood that make it so inhospitable to Bacteria.
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This amazing piece of woodworkers propaganda should be committed to the memory of all woodies especially those who make bread & chopping boards and woodturners who make salad bowls etc.

Think of the implications of using polyurethane on a salad bowl. It is a plastic finish. Will it allow the nasties to grow unchecked like the plastic cutting boards? Should the inside of this sort of bowl be left raw with no finish at all? Will the addition of such things as oil finishes to the surface kill the part of the timber that actually eliminates the bacteria?

For the past 20 odd years I have maintained that the insides of bowls and bread boards etc, that come into contact with raw and wet foods be left unfinished. We have been using raw timber chopping boards for well over 20 years with no ill effects, people have been eating and serving food from raw wooden bowls and platters for centuries. So long as they are kept clean it would appear that there should not be a health hazard.

This should give many of you something to think about, and probably should be shouted from the tops of the highest buildings. Another great plus for wood.

I hope this rather long post stimulates some interest.

Grrr!!!
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Reply By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 14:34

Wednesday, Apr 11, 2007 at 14:34
A fairly solid theory is that the lignin and lignin-like compounds in wood are anti bacterial. (I used to be a scientist but have got over it :))

An alternative is Corian. Quite heavy, expensive but can be used as the benchtop, withstands quite high temperature and can be re-polished. HDPE melts at lowish temperatures.

Adrian
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Reply By: Grungle - Thursday, Apr 12, 2007 at 05:47

Thursday, Apr 12, 2007 at 05:47
Thanks to all responses.

I ended up with quotes of $140 and $188 ex from 2 plastics places that specialise with HDPE cutting boards. I will look at wood ones as well as I think it will be quite attractive as well as having the benifits of not harbouring bacteria.

Regards
David
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