A question of legality & morality re: rear vision

Submitted: Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 16:47
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Well by now of course you all know I have a you beaut rear vision camera setup on my car & the Gin Palace. The law prattles on about not having a picture in your monitor while driving forward.... My monitor is my mirror and the view I get via the camera and monitor is far more exciting and encompassing than the plain mirror provides. When coupled to the Gin Palace of course the view behind me is nothing short of spectacular, it's crisp clear and without the "vibration" that is intrinsic in the extended towing mirrors.
Only one problem this practise of having near perfect rear vision is illegal excepting it seems for busses & trucks.
your thoughts....
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Reply By: Ken - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 16:56

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 16:56
No problem with having this device in front of the driver. It is classed as a 'driver aid'. The category includes GPS, despatch systems etc and as long as it isn't a TV or DVD player it is legal.
Ken
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 17:03

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 17:03
As long as you have wing mirrors there should not be a problem. All those who tow caravans cant be wrong.

I have had police ask to have a look at the set up I have on the Troopie. They wished they had the same on there vehicles. When I got the blue slip on the Troopie the fact that there was a screen where the rear view mirror should be was not a problem as long as I had wing mirrors.

Keep using the camera and screen it is a lot safer and better for rear vision than a mirror alone.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: harris - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 21:52

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 21:52
Wayne, I have a troopie thinking of doing the same, however on mounting the "camera" at back did you drill holes or what to secure and run cabling give us an idea on your set up....regards....Harro
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:52

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:52
Harris...my camera is mounted to my roof rack and the cable goes through the door seal, I just close the rear door on it all the time and I have no trouble whatsoever....no holes to drill, no damage to the troopy....cheers Phil
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:52

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:52
Harris,

Sorry to take so long to get back to you. 7 days in the Vic High Country

I have a roof rack on the Troopie all the time. There is a work light and the camera attached to the centre of the roof rack facing back.

The cables for the camera and the light are attached to the roof rack legs.The cables go to the front of the vehicle on the drivers side and I have run them into the top of the snorkel. They exit the snorkel just before the air cleaner cannister. A hole was cut in the rubber hose and then resealed around the cables.

I also have a GPS aerial attached to the pre cleaner on top of the snorkel. The cable for this also passes down the snorkel body. It is not very clear but there is a white dot on top of the snorkel in my rig photo, that is the GPS aerial.

This system works well and have used the same method on 3 vehicle now. This has the advantage that the cables don't have to pass through any holes or door seals, the down side is that the roof rack has to be on the vehicle, and in my case, the roof rack is on all the time.

Wayne
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Reply By: Member - SKI er (NSW) - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 18:23

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 18:23
Hi Mr Fawlty,

I hope that all the answers come back as A,OK because I intend to do the same after my first big trip.

The existing wing mirrors just show me the van. The extention ones that fit under the bonnet lid vibrate like crazy and the clip ons peel back every 1 truck in 20 due to turbulence.

All I want to do is see what is behind and if it is bigger than me get it by without incident.

Go the TV camera.

Even if you get a "Not Legal" forum I will fit one anyway and if I ever get pulled over by the "angry lights" the switch to "off" will be the first thing to happen long before we pull over to say "Morning Officer."

Regards
SKI'er
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Follow Up By: DIO - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 19:17

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 19:17
When your towing a trailer, van etc the law requires that you have clear view to the rear (both sides). To the rear doesn't mean 'down the sides' (only) as being adequate. Very few (if any) passenger related vehicles have adequate (standard) external mirrors for towing with. Owners will be required to fit wing/extension type mirrors. In conjunction with your camera, you shold be very reassured that no one should disappear into your 'blind spot' ('cos you won't have one.
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:32

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:32
Just as long as you have mirrors where you can see the rear corners of your van you are OK. Fitting a rear view camera does not allow you to get rid of the towing mirrors.

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Follow Up By: Member - SKI er (NSW) - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 22:47

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 22:47
Hi Dio & Disc1942.

On my first major trip I found that my blind spots were manifest. Maybe it was inattention or poor equipement on a combination of both....Big things crept up on me particularly on straight roads. I Don't think I am alone in this.

The loneger I extended the bonnet mounts to accommodate the vans rear corners the greater the vibration and the less "real vision" I had. The clip ons were useless as per previous post "peel back"

The Tv camera seems a technology thingo that solves all of these problems and offers attributes like improvement to indifferent (mine) reversing as well.

Regards
SKI'er

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Reply By: Ray Bates - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 08:45

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 08:45
I do a lot of caravan towing and I have a rear view camera and monitor. As far as mirrors are concerned I have two 6" round convex mirrors securely mounted on the roo bar. These mirrors vibrate but because they are convex the vibration is not noticeable. Once fitted you soon get used to the depth of vision.
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Reply By: koolkat - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 13:17

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 13:17
We have the Polaris (not the current camera & GPS system) system on the truck (05TDLC) & the van (03 Coromal 20' Seca 600 Pioneer). The small camera at the back of the truck is centered on the tow ball to assist with hookup whilst the larger camera on the back of the van (high up) gives an excellent view of traffic behind. The only drawback is that there is little depth perception (2D - not 3D) so that when a vehicle appears to be 3 - 4 car lengths behind you, they are actually sitting on your bumper bar.

As for the mirrors, after trying various types I opted for the Aussie Truck Mirrors with easily adjustable (whilst moving) arm length that slide out when you have the van on & back in when the van is off. Leave them on all the time when travelling. A little more expensive but well worth it.

Chuck
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 19:52

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 19:52
We have a small van that has a rear door and not a side door.

I drive the Chevissan, while the cook travels in the van, sat on the back step with a small UHF handheld, looking backwards,,,,,,,,,,she tells me all I need to know about what's behind me and it stops all those 'in-cab' arguments.

;)

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Carl & Kaz - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 20:03

Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 20:03
And that sounds perfectly legal to me!!!
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