Simpson desert

Submitted: Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 17:52
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my wife, 2 kids and i wish to cross the simpson desert next june.We have been contemplating towing our camper trailer with us. Could anyone advise if they have done this? Should we or should we not attempt this?

Just wondering what the general consensus was on camper trailers crossing the desert. Our tow vehicle is a Turbo diesel 80 series wagon, manual with 3IN lift and 33inch tyres.

any info would be helpful....
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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 17:56

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 17:56
Shouldn't be a problem by June.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 18:58

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 18:58
As long as they think they know what they're doing...LOL
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 19:47

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 19:47
Before I tell you what we did I will ask just one question.

Have you towed your trailer in soft sand before?

If the answer is no then you have got till June to practice. I don't know where you are but I would recommend going to your local answer to Stockton Beach and get bogged, dig yourself out and try backing down a dune or two.

When you have done that a few times then you can take on the Simpson. The Simpson was not particularly difficult when we did it. We even got a bit of rain which slowed us down a bit but firmed up the sand.

We towed the Trak Shak across the SD and had no problems in the sand, the mud slowed us down a bit though. We had a bit of a look around travelling on each of the main tracks. It was great.

Remember to let your tyres down on car and trailer and once you stop going forward get off the gas. You can take a trailer across the SD without problems but if you do it wrong and damage the tracks the "no trailers" brigade will jump all over those of us who choose to travel with a trailer. Don't give them any ammo.

Duncs
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Reply By: lifeisgood - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 19:49

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 19:49
When you get your Desert pass you will receive a useful booklet with maps and tips. You will be advised not to take trailers. Big Red is a rather significant dune. I would not like to try hauling a trailer over it.
Willem has done it and his comment above hides the difficulty you will face.
Perhaps you could go to Birdsville caravan park and leave the trailer. Go out to big red and have a play--- then if you are still keen (silly?) enough to do it then go for it.
I doubt your wife would be so keen though LOL Good luck.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:12

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:12
You can go around Big Red.
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Reply By: AMack - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:31

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:31
We did exactly this 2 years ago, during October School Holidays 2004. 2 boys aged 9 and 6 at the time. We were in a Nissan Patrol Diesel automatic all stock other than winch and towing a Camp-o-matic hard floor camper trailer, which we hired and had good aquaintence with as we had used on a previous trip to Fraser Is.. Spent 3 days crossing via Dalhousie springs, Rg road, Knolls track, french, QAA to Birdsville. Got stuck on 1 dune not long after rejoining the French line and spent afun hour or so digging and jacking to extricate. Saw only 1 other car so had a fantastic remote adventure, though a bit nerve wracking on occassions. Took several attempts to cross a few of the sand dunes because I didn't want to get stuck again. This meant having to reverse down some dunes, so would bail out early while trailer was still straight (less chance of getting stuck going backwards) Or utilised side angled tracks on occassions. On our 3rd day we travelled with the other car that we met and this made crossing dunes much easier as they could report degree of difficulty and hence right foot requirement.
Be sure to secure trailer contents thoroughly though, as tough and as well riding this trailer was it's still not as robust as the car. I'd certainly love to do it again but in hind sight it would have been less stressful if we had a travelling companion from the start. Nights out under the stars with not another soul around made it all worthwhile though.
PS my wife was cra**ing for 3 days.
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Reply By: thebigeasy - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:38

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:38
mickandchelle Did simpson july last year two familys,two camper trailers,west to east french line,waa line.got "stopped" not bogged on a handfull of dunes air presure & a sensible right foot are needed.saw a few not towing doing it far harder than it had to be.air presure? travelling with another vehicle sure does take some of the worry out of it though.your mrs will thank you for that bit of comfort the ct provides. hope this helps.
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Reply By: Andrew Kilby (QLD) - Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:40

Friday, Apr 13, 2007 at 20:40
Two of us did the simo both towing campers. No problem but it is hard going and the trailers must be very strong. From Oodnattatta to Birdsville we used the following fuel travelling the french line in September.

Nissan Patrol Manual Petrol 170litres, Jeep Cherokee auto 130 litres petrol.

Cheers and have fun.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 08:30

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 08:30
I have not done it in a camper, but I do own one now ,,
When I went thru with the Boys from the Yorke Peninsula 4x4 Club in 2005, there were 2 campers that went all the way, and one went into Poeppel Corner and then back to Birdsville..
My advice is to go for it, and do it with a couple of non towing vehicles, just in case you need to get " snatched " over a dune

Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:48

Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:48
Hi Bucky.

I don't think the vehicles with trailers had a single problem did they. I was surprised at how easily they did the entire journey.

I actually found a small video clip of Paul and Pud doing the water crossing at the Delta last week on my cam corder. I'd forgotten how wet it was. Might be a bit of footage of the might Navara on Big Red too.

Patrolman Pat
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 04:24

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 04:24
G day Pat
I will be in anything that shows footage of the " crossing " that was the time of our lives.
By the way, I was up that way again, with the camper and the Mrs just last August, and took her up " Big Red " she loved it. Is real keen to do the Canning in 2 years.

Wanna be in it ?

Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:57

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:57
I'm interested Bucky but time constarints might be the problem with the oldest lad staring high school next year. Keep me informed though mate.

I might be heading through your neck of the woods next Jan, might catch up for a beer and a chat.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:47

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:47
No probs, Pat,,,, Room at our place anytime for you, and the boys

Just email me anytime

Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 08:56

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 08:56
Mick

Anything to do with deserts, sand, dunes, sand hills......................rule of thumb is 15psi in tyres on tow vehicle and 10psi in tyres on trailer. High range first gear or low range second gear crossing dunes. No need to rush a dune/sand hill at all. Just keep to a steady pace.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Ruth D (QLD) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:35

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:35
This is the single most important piece of advice regarding the Simpson Desert - and then again regarding driving in the Simpson Desert and then again for towing inthe Simpson Desert. You should never ever (yes I said never ever) need to snatch over the dunes if your tyre pressure is low enough. You should also be able to drive over the dunes as if on a Sunday drive looking at housing estates you can't afford to live in! The Simpson Desert is the most beautiful place to enjoy - and it can be driven at a leisurely walking pace - so everyone in the vehicle enjoys it, and there are no white knucles hanging on anywhere. Have a good time.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:19

Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:19
"Never ever" Ruth...........? In an average crossing that could possibly be said but following a wind storm with tall swales & steep drop offs on the lip it's quite likely especially for a lead vehicle to belly out no matter how low the tyres are. You could of course dig it out but a steady snatch will always get you going quicker. Trailers only increase the chance of getting stuck due to the additional weight & length of the draw bar.
While crossing on the Madigan last year our exprienced trip leader with a 4" lift & tyres let down to 8psi got stuck on a dune. Are you suggesting he should have had less air in the tyres or walked every dune 1st to look for the easiest way??
Not sure either that everyone has 6+ days to cross the desert at waliking pace ether;-) As beautiful as the Simpson may be many don't go to smell the flowers, rather it's the white knuckle challenge of the crossing they go for. Each to there own I guess.
Cheers Craig.................
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:38

Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:38
Craig...hmmmmmm

"While crossing on the Madigan last year our exprienced trip leader with a 4" lift & tyres let down to 8psi got stuck on a dune. Are you suggesting he should have had less air in the tyres or walked every dune 1st to look for the easiest way?? "

Not sure what you are on about but the Madigan is a tad more dfifficult than the well worn French Line. Your trip leader could also have been prone to driver error. As you know all you have to do is to take a dune at the wrong angle and/or speed and you are doomed.

Last year I took my trailer to the Geo Centre of the Simspon without problems. On the way out of the desert I got bogged on the last dune on the Rig Road before the K1 line. Extra soft stuff it was.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 20:30

Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 20:30
Willem up to my last response there has been no mention of any particular route over the Simpson by anyone so I can only asume Ruth's "never ever need a snatch" statement refers to the entire Desert no matter what the conditions, which is my main point. Following a sand storm any of the tracks out there could have difficult crests to cross & even with with acceptable tyre pressures (what ever they may be) anyone no matter how skilled could be expected to get stuck at some stage & require a snatch particually when towing a trailer as Mick intends to do.
Often seen as an easy alternative the Rig road after strong wind can be particually difficult & it doesn't surprise me it was the one spot an experienced campainer like yourself was caught out.
Cheers Craig............
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 20:46

Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 20:46
LOL Yes Ruth did leave the comment rather open ended.

I think that all these Simpson novices had better do a bit of practice before tackling even the easy hills, without a trailer. It is easy for us to sit back and talk relaxed about desert travel while others might find it terrifying.

Last year along the French Line we were knocling off the crests of the dunes which were around a metre high above the normal track surface....and some travellers had been there before us. The winds were whipping the sand up every few days.

There was a huge crest on the last dune on the Rig Road and I gave it a go but had to back down(should have known better). Then I took another angle , made it up on to the dune and bogged with the trailer hanging off the edge of the dune. Dropped the tyre pressures to 9psi and using floor mats idled out in low first. These things happen from time to time.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Lance S (VIC) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:00

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:00
mickandchelle, did the simpson last July, after getting all the advice on this forum, we decided to leave the trailer at Birdsville and take the tent. We saw heaps of vehicles, but only one was towing and he said he had a hell of a time, digging etc. This is the 64 thousand dollar question. As someone said before , if u have or join up with a single vehicle, then go for it, take it easy and have fun. Its great country!!

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Reply By: Member - Boo (ACT) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 14:51

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 14:51
Hi Mickandchelle,

We did the Simpson mid last year towing a camping trailer, there were four vehicles in our group with us being the only ones towing.

We did have to reverse up on a few dunes however so too did the others so towing a trailer isn't necessarily going to make it any more difficult.

The most important things to remember is to ensure that your camper is firstly up to the job, it must be a good solid off road CT, you must lower your tyres and you may need to lower them more than once depending on conditions.

Take your time and enjoy the experience.

Regards,

Kerrie.
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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 21:55

Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 21:55
Gaday Mick. Officially trailers are discouraged in the Simpson as in the past many people with little driving experience have got into alot of difficulty with quite a few lesser quality ones breaking down & occationally being left behind.
That said with some previous sand driving experience, correct tyre preasures & a suitable trailer that's not overloaded, the majority of people would have little difficulty at that time of the year.
Cheers Craig.................
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Reply By: mickandchelle - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:22

Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 19:22
Thanks to everyone for giving me info.....greatly appreciated....am leaning toward leaving the trailer at home so as not to "tear up tracks or the like"...as they say "tread lightly"
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