Chainsaws

Submitted: Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 01:33
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Hi Guys

I need some info on what brand of chainsaw to buy and the right size to use on my block and take 4wd too.. Stihl comes to mind for quality reliabilty etc..

Have no idea on size as such

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Reply By: thomasando - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 06:49

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 06:49
Best bet would be to go talk to a reputable Stihl dealer (or any mower shop really) if you ask me...
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy- Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:20

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:20
Be careful if you buy a Sthil, make sure it is a german one not a south american one as they are crap.
I prefer the Dolmar myself.
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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:49

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:49
Thankyou Tour Boy for that its these little things that help greatly
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:29

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:29
I support the genuine Stihl too. Have had quite a few brands over the years and worked them quite hard. I have found the Stihl to be good starters, parts available and reliable. Their ergonomics are not perfect but pretty good. I only buy Stihl now but find that I am not needing to buy a new one nearly as often as they seem to last well.

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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:44

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:44
While Dolmar isnt as well known as the bigger brands, they have been around as long as Stihl,they are a good all round saw, they have a good back up service and are priced well.
And yes we do sell them and we dont sell anything I wouldnt use myself.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol (Aust.) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:53

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:53
Sachs-Dolmar made the first Chainsaw in the world. They were known as just Sachs Motor Co. in those early days on Mount Dolmar in Germany. They are in my mind the best saws money can buy and they are cheaper than Stihl.

They are now owned by Makita from Japan and as far as I can tell still an exellent saw. I use nothing else now after years of racing all kinds of saws at field days.

Husky are also good saws but IMHO they rev too high and tend to cook the chain in Australian hardwoods.

If you can get your hands on a good Mac 700 they were the best hardwood saw made, for Australian timber.

I worked for Sachs Dolmar for some years and have used nearly all brands, Stihl are selling on a reputation for a good (not exellent) product, but an extremly well backed up product.
Colin.
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Reply By: Member - beachbum - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 08:53

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 08:53
Buy a reputable established brand. The cheap chinese stuff is just that. I brought one and it was totally unreliable.
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Reply By: png62 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 09:01

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 09:01
Have always had Stihl myself but have two mates that run Husqvarna - their saws are quieter and easier to start, just as powerful but lighter and they maintain their tune better (longer). We cut our own firewood in Tassie. My Stihl has lasted so well that I don't have to contemplate changing yet but I would buy either of these brands for their reliability and parts/service backup. You don't want a saw to let you down when you need it most and as with everything else - "you get what you pay for ! "
Cheers John
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Reply By: Member - bushfix - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 09:23

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 09:23
Stihl, Husky or Jurgensen if you want it to last, imo.
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:51

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:51
err....jonsared, but not many people would have heard of them.
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 12:33

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 12:33
Echo
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Follow Up By: On Patrol (Aust.) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:55

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:55
Jonsared are Husky by a different name and painted red, all part of the Electrolux group.
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 20:41

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 20:41
hmmmmm....

thanks for that info mate, though...will do some r&d now.

cheers.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 14:47

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 14:47
If you are doing a search it is 'Jonsered'
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Reply By: Robin - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 09:58

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 09:58
Always preferred 18in bar size with minium 38cc engine here Wayne.

I wouldn't get one for general use with less than 16 in bar.

Many have optional size bars, for example 16/18/20in bar on same base engine.
Good rule of thumb is to buy unit with its smallest specified bar and you tend to
have plenty of power , as opposed to buying smaller engine with bigger bar.

With green wood being so much easier to cut you don't often notice lack of
power until you get to long dead tree across your path.

Use Homelite here, not for any particular reason, and brought a second one
of same model new 12 years after first one - mainly for parts backup but
while they have withstood all the abuse I throw at them I could not reccomend them as chain tension adjustment needs to be done frequently.

I'm pretty hard on them, like other week cut down about a dozen
trees at groung level with chain bar cutting into dirt often, and ease of adjustment
of chain slack is an important requirement.

Friend has chain saw shop in Mansfield and, while they sell several brands he would agree with some here that Huskies should be given serious consideration.

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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:43

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:43
Thankz robin will look into it,will see the diff between 16 bar and 18 in the flesh !

Cheers
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Reply By: Dingo77 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:50

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:50
Howdy,
I was thinking of one myself but has anyone heard anything about needing a permit to operate one?
I think it's to do with using one in a national park...or something.
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Follow Up By: Smudger - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:23

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:23
I believe in Mexico, 4WD Clubs can do a course allowing members to use chainsaws in NP's and State Forests.
If the road's blocked by a fallen tree and it means back tracking 50 kms, or use a chainsaw ..you've got a decision to make. There are are some Do's and Don't with chainsaws and they can be bloody dangerous. The retailer may be able to put you onto a How-To-Use course.
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Follow Up By: Dingo77 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:32

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:32
"If the road's blocked by a fallen tree and it means back tracking 50 kms, or use a chainsaw ..."

I hear ya, but legally can we use one in a NP?


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Follow Up By: Smudger - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:40

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:40
Site Link

NATIONAL PARKS AND WILDLIFE (NATIONAL PARKS) REGULATIONS 2001 - REG 17
17—Possession and use of chainsaws
(1) Subject to subregulation (2), a person must not, without the permission of the relevant authority, have control of, carry or use a chainsaw in a reserve.
(2) A person may have control of, carry or use a chainsaw in a reserve—
(a) in the course of exercising rights or performing obligations pursuant to a lease, licence or agreement entered into by the Minister or the relevant authority in relation to the reserve; or
(b) in the course of exercising powers or performing obligations under an Act or statutory instrument; or
(c) for the purpose of fighting a bushfire or dealing with any other emergency.

What do you reckon?
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Follow Up By: Smudger - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:42

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:42
I reckon you'll find all other States have similar regs. But, like I said, Vic are now working with regular 4WDers to allow use.
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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:48

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:48
Hi Smudger

This is interesting to me for the reason being that when i visit 4wd site's (clubs) you see them at a gum tree (pictures section) fallen across the track and their out there cutting it up with chainsaws to get past... And letting you know at what National Park..

So from my understanding that its totally ILLEGAL to do it ! Or would Parks turn a blind eye to common sense !
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:24

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:24
A few years ago when I phoned a DSE (might have been Parks) office in East Gippsland to enquire as to the state of a track in an NP the ranger suggested I take a chain saw with me in case of fallen trees.

I would not go into the High Country in Vic without one - don't waste too much life worrying about petty regulations - you're not going to clear-fell a forest are you?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Smudger - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:33

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:33
Only now what I read, but I won't argue with you. Suits me, I usually take a chain to drag trees out of the way, my chainsaw would make life easier. I've been blocked a few times by fllen trees.
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Follow Up By: Dingo77 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:42

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:42
Hey guys,

I just sent an inquiry to DSE, Parks Vic and might even throw in DPI (just to make it interesting)....will let you know how it goes.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:58

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 17:58
Frankly... I have little interest in anything they say in regard to this matter... I'll still be taking my chainsaw into the High Country, NPs or not. Up there you're on your own - DSE won't come to my rescue.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 18:22

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 18:22
Thankz Dingo will be interesting ! Hopefully i'd believe they would use common sense,mike has a valid point too..
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Follow Up By: Black Shoe - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:35

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:35
>I just sent an inquiry to DSE, Parks Vic and might even throw in DPI (just to make it interesting)....will let you know how it goes.

Why do that, why bring it to their attention ? Next thing some miserable pen pusher round spectacle wearer will be designing no chainsaw signs to erect, best to let sleeping dogs lie.
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Follow Up By: Dingo77 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 20:20

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 20:20
yeah, well I'm sure the rangers have some idea about it.

Just recently (over Easter) I found myself too far from designated campsites so I had no choice but to camp in an area where I wasn't meant to... (for those who care, I made sure I treaded lightly).
Anyway getting back to the point, at the time I thought I would never in a million years see a Ranger on this track, sure enough on the following morning (just 10 mins after I had packed) guess who I saw coming the opposite direction. What are the chances hey?

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Follow Up By: Dingo77 - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 18:27

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 18:27
Guys,

....still waiting for a response from Parks Vic and DPI.

To the DSE's credit they quickly replied stating:
'Parks Victoria is the custodian of a diverse estate of significant parks across Victoria.'

If I don't hear anything else I'll give 'em a call.
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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:56

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:56
'Parks Victoria is the custodian of a diverse estate of significant parks across Victoria.'

If you did the same job in a rental property you'd be evicted and shown on a current affair program !
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 14:53

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 14:53
Does being cold & hungry constitute an emergency??

I was caught in sudden wild gales in the High Country about 3 years ago, & found a massive tree down & totally blocking the track, so we did a 39 point turn to exit the way we came & yep, you guessed it, a tree had fallen behind us & impassably blocked the track. So without a chainsaw we would have faced an almost impossible walk out.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 17:22

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 17:22
Shaker: not an uncommon event in the High Country. fortunately it hasn't happened to me but I have heard a few similar tales and I've cleared, or avoided, more downed trees up there than I can remember.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 17:57

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 17:57
Mike, we should get together some time for a couple of nights. Don't know if you camp midweek, but I try to avoid weekends as much as I can.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 18:37

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 18:37
I'd like that Shaker. You're somewhere near Rawson iirc?

I usually do weekdays too but work is a little heavy at the moment however I'm planning to take a week or two off in a month or so and spend some time prospecting in the HC - maybe we could organise a place/time to catch up?

Mike Harding

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Follow Up By: Dingo77 - Friday, Apr 27, 2007 at 12:13

Friday, Apr 27, 2007 at 12:13
For those of you still interested in this topic...

I eventually called Parks Vic. (after receiving no email response), they basically said that if you are using the chainsaw to clear the track... then it is ok to use.

He also mentioned that you need a permit to collect timber (for personal use) and that could be obtained at the local parks office (at the particular park you are in, not Parks Vic).
So unless you guys have heard of anyone copping fines for clearing tracks then I can assume that this info is accurate...now I guess I have to work out where to put the chainsaw.
Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:50

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:50
Hi
I run a Stihl 026 with a 16 inch bar, i use this for my work. Powerfull + light weight.
This is a professional saw so it's not cheap, but if looked after you will only have to buy 1 in your lifetime.
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Reply By: Member - Jay L (QLD) - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:25

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:25
Stihl and Husqvarna are probably the pick of the bunch here in Oz. Stihl probably have slightly better spare parts and backup service but Husqvarna are continually improving in this area.

The Husky's can be a little harder to start but once running the will go all day without any problems.

It may cost extra but consider a model with an inertia brake system which is an improvement over the normal chain brake system. The inertia brake system will operate in kickback situations where the standard chainbrake won't.

Things to look out for:

Inertia brake system.

Noise rating (dB) lower the number the quiter the machine = better for chainsaw operator.

Ease of removing the air cleaner for maintenance.

Smaller bars are generally safer than larger bars for kick back (less leverage).
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Reply By: warfer69 - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:38

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:38
Thankyou guys youve been very helpful..Will go hunt a stihl @ 16 bar



Cheers..
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Follow Up By: Richard & Leonie - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 20:05

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 20:05
I have 3 Stihl chainsaws. A 14", 16" and 21". I use them regularly and am quite happy with them. The only advice I would give you is to run them flat out all the time or they tend to become difficult to start. Keep the chains sharp and be careful not to sharpen one side more than the other. Not only does this make the cut go off in a circle but it also wears the bar unevenly. I take a 14" in the CT mainly for cutting up fire wood found beside the road. As a member of the SES we use Husqies, they are good and are not as sensitive as the Stihl as far as running speed and seem to be easler to start. TAFE run use of chainsaw courses but better still join the SES and you will get all the training you will ever want. Chainsaws are a lethal weapon when not used correctly. I think NP's would look a bit silly prosecuting one for having a chainsaw on board without evidence of you using it.

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Reply By: live4theweekends - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:39

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 16:39
A Stihl or a Stihl or a Stihl
:-)
OK so I did work at a Stihl dealership for a few years (no affiliation anymore). We did repairs on all brands but Stihl guarantee that parts will be available for a least 10 years after they stop making a particular model. We had saws that were ancient coming in and amazingly parts were still available! Husqvarna were pretty reliable too. Lots of the other brands just dont have the parts backup.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:29

Monday, Apr 16, 2007 at 19:29
May not be the answer you want - but i bought one of those cheap nasties that another forum member suggested you stay clear of - i got it off ebay for $135.00 it has a 52 cc engine - 18 inch bar . I have now been using this saw for about 1.5 years ( used and abuse ) and its still running strong without any hick ups at all.

MANY years ago i was working for Mc culloch power tools when i first left school as there maintenance guy which involved full repairs of brushcutters and chain saws - both in Mc culloch and Sach dohlmar brands - was with them for 3 years before they went into recievership , my point being i am not un-informed

MOST chainsaw all use the walbro carbys - In general - sometimes brand names are just extra $$ your paying for.... and the unreliability usually stems from dirty carbys

"BUT it will break down when you need it most" --- will be what people are thinking - ANY saw will do this not just cheap crap - but for me if it does - i will throw it away and buy another for $135.00 and get maybe 2 years out of it rather than spend $600 on a brand name - spend about $100+ on general servicing through the year ( as per there recomendations )

something to consider

Boc
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Reply By: Member - Des - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:42

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:42
Happy with our Jonsered 2145. Cost about $650. Reliable, good quality product, made in Sweden.

Dealer I bought from sold several brands but recommended the Jonsered as quality and value for money. He said many people make the mistake in buying their first saw of getting one that is not powerful enough for cutting hard timber; recommended 45cc motor at least.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:54

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:54
My Stihl at around 30cc, iirc, has done pretty well all over Australia for the past five years or so?

Bought my elder son a Bunnings special (about $200 - can't recall the brand) he's used it a few times over the past year and it has performed adequately - usually we're only chopping firewood not trying to clearfell a forest.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Black Shoe - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:55

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:55
These days we shouldn't be chopping wood for firewood, use an alternative or even dried food that needs no cooking, we must look after the plant or global warming will get us.
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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:50

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:50
hi blcky

i would believe 99.99% of us would be chopping the dead ones only !

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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 22:32

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 22:32
Hi Des

Search a few sites for this model and their does not seem to be to many sites come up,am sure its a great chainsaw but when you put stihl in hundreds of options,thanks for your time..

cheers
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:50

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:50
>These days we shouldn't be chopping wood for firewood

In a few weeks I'll be returning to the spot in the High Country where I spent a week last year, on that occasion the temperature dropped to -5 deg C each night: perhaps you would care to join me and as we sit around the fire after dinner you could explain to me why we don't need one?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:27

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:27
Black shoe - what are you doing to reduce your effect on global warming since you bought it up ? alternative fuel for your gas guzzling vehicle perhaps ??

Boc
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 21:36

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 21:36
>These days we shouldn't be chopping wood for firewood

Maybe we could set fire to the dried food for warmth?
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