Fuel tank selection - 2006 V8 LC100

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 15:12
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Hi,

On my V8 LC100 with both tanks full, I select the main tank and use it till almost empty. I then select the sub tank and find that it is no longer full.

This also happens visa/versa too. Select the sub tank first and use till almost empty, then select the main tank only to find it is no longer full.

My previous 2001 TD LC100 did not do this. Is this something that is common? Is it only the V8 that has this problem? Does my vehicle have a fault?

I am interested to see if other LC100 owners experience this too.

Cheers,
Topend.
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Reply By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 15:39

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 15:39
Topend,

Mine is the same - as I understand it, it is a design feature to lube both fuel assemblies - much worse on short trips which leads me to thinking it does it on startup..
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Reply By: BennyGU - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 16:07

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 16:07
My GU does something similar. In the Patrol each time you start up a small amount of fuel is transferred from my subtank to the main to keep the transfer pump in working order.
But as the 100 series has two seperate tanks I am not sure if there is a transfer pump between them and the above is useless.
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Reply By: TimmyG2 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 17:31

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 17:31
I have a 2006 V8 LC and I find the same problem. As was mentioned earlier I find that if I drive non stop and switch tanks that the sub still sits on full, but when doing lots of short trips and then switching to sub the needle will have crept below full. The manual says it is supposed to happen to ensure the fuel is kept clean in both tanks.
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Follow Up By: Go-N-Grey (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 20:09

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 20:09
I also have a 2006 V8 and have not noticed the problem as it is only ever used on long trips (>80k between starts).

I run the main tank to empty (i.e. the engine stops) switch to sub and carry on. The next time I use the vehicle I switch to main , travel a couple of K's and then engine stops, switch back to sub and carry on, and can do this multiple times.

It seems true a small amount if fuel is transferred on each start.

The service manual I have says there is a "scavenge pump" in each tank and a one pressure pump external which is used by the fuel injection system.

I dont run tanks dry anymore, not going to take the risk of damaging a pump, switching tanks about 10-15k after the low fuel warning light starts flashing.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:39

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:39
"I run the main tank to empty (i.e. the engine stops) switch to sub and carry on. The next time I use the vehicle I switch to main , travel a couple of K's and then engine stops, switch back to sub and carry on, and can do this multiple times. "

not wanting to be picky but why on earth would you want to do that? Apart from the safety aspect you give it multiple chance to suck every bit of crud from the bottom of the tank?
I see that you dont do this anymore, but am curious as to why you would ever do it in the first place?
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Follow Up By: Go-N-Grey (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 22:08

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 22:08
Just to try to get an accurate fuel consumption. Best I ever managed to get into the sub tank was 43 litres is supposed to have a capacity of 45.

New car, new tank, and hopefully no crud.

Did it lots in aeroplanes, often made the difference between having to land at Meekatharra for fuel or manage a direct flight to Perth from Port Hedland in twin engine Cessnas with six fuel tanks - 3 per engine. (no crud in them as we never filled out of jerries)

Only ever did it with freight (or wife), frightened the Sh.. out of passengers when each engine would surge, but it sure confirmed how much avgas you actually had on board.

It was easy to pump a lot of fuel overboard, as when using the auxiliary tanks the return flow from the fuel injection unit fitted to the engines (not unlike modern cars) ended up back in the main tanks, and if they were full, the return fuel (about 20%) went overboard without your knowledge, not a good number when its dark and you are over a big desert.

Was trying to see if the Tojo did the same thing
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:11

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:11
That would be bloody annoying . My 2001 TD 100 Series does not do that ( even before I had a long range tank put in )
I am sure some electrical genius on the LCOOL site has worked out a way to stop this happening .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:08

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:08
Willie, the petrol vehicles have an electric pump in each tank and the small transfer keeps them lubricated and working normally. Your TD has the pump on the motor, so theres no need to transfer fuel at the tanks.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:27

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 18:27
all my petrol 80 series and petrol 100 series have done it.....
havnt noticed it the td to date (10 months)
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Reply By: Andrew(WA) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:22

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 19:22
Having had the TD and V8, which do you prefer Topend?

I'm looking at both myself, the cost saving in the V8 initially is inviting. What do you think long term?

cheers

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Go-N-Grey (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 20:22

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 20:22
See my post at FollowupID: 484303

Now have 2,500k on clock and last trip with van over Easter averaged 21.5 l/100km over 700km. Saved heaps of fuel by not using Cruise control and ensuring the Torque converter locked up when cruising (>80km/hr).

Saved 8c litre of fuel when I filled up, so over the same distance I would have had to have done better than 19.5km/ltr if it was a diesel just to break even on fuel costs.

I know diesel and petrol fuel costs are much closer together in the country, but seriously most km are done in the city for most vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Topend - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 23:19

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 23:19
I prefer the TD LC100. I have a Haines Hunter 680 and with 480l of fuel and 120l of fresh water it wieghs in at 3000kg. With the TD100 (I had a Dtronic) having 525nm at 1800rpm it towed with ease. From 1400rpm in third it would drag the boat up the hill to our street.

The V8 LC100 needs 3600rpm to get 410nm. A lot more rpm and a lot more fuel.

Around town unladen the V8 LC100 is great. Smooth V8 with a seamless 5 speed auto. Best fuel economy in mostly 80km/h and 100km/h roads is about 16l/100km.

The TD LC100 gets 11-12l/100km all day every day.

When I'm ready for the LC200 I will get the V8TD.

Cheers,
Topend.
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Follow Up By: Andrew(WA) - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 00:16

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 00:16
Amen!
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Reply By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:46

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:46
my 04 TD hasnt had that problem, and has only ever functioned as I would have expected it to. We usually use the main tank til light comes on, then use sub til a good price comes up to fill.
Get around 900km around town on the usable 120 litres (13.3l/100km)
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Reply By: Davo_60 (ACT) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:50

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:50
The TD 100 cruiser at work does this also.
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Reply By: aceman - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:58

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:58
Hi Topend
Sounds to me its either a faulty fuel guage or switch that changes over to the sub tank!
I have 03 TD LC100 and had the engine cut out (without coughs/splutter) whilst driving on the sub tank which was showing half full.
I went back to Toyota who didn't want to know about my warranty but would fix it under a clause they refer as Customer Satisfaction Agreement. That meant I was
obliged to pay 50% of the labour costs! (gotcha by the short n curlies).
The faulty guage is not something they cannot fix/replace, so the entire instrument cluster (dash) came out and replaced with new one. Not before it had to be sent to specialist to have the Km's wound onto speedo. It was long chain of events and from whoa to go it took 3 weeks to get it done.
Was out of pocket $95 - but hate to think what alternative would have been.

My suggestion is, go back to Toyota and argue the point.
Cheers
Leigh
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