Exactly what tracks & beaches are we allowed on ?

Submitted: Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 17:23
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Gday,

Just been enquiring about insurance for all our belongings and possesions whilst away on our trip around Oz. Western QBE have given us a very reasonable quote for every imaginable item we will be taking on our trip. They tell me they cover me anywhere in Australia that we are "allowed by law" to be.

How does one know exactly where they are and arent allowed to be ?

For example an isolated beach up north WA that is non sign posted. Are we allowed to drive down tracks to the beach or not ???

Cheers

Birdy
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Reply By: landseka - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 17:26

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 17:26
Good question! Something that we'd be interested in knowing the answer to as well.

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Reply By: Member - Steve T (NT) - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 17:35

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 17:35
Hi Birdy

I would suspect that means any roads ,tracks or beaches that are gazetted.

EG: Any of the above that are governed by road rules and speed limits.

I would confirm this with your insurance company.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Johno (Gold Coast) - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:40

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:40
You have got it in one Steve.

I'll as add to that: You need a permit drive on most beaches in qld (Fraser, Moreton, Straddie) and if one is not required the beach will be sign posted advising of restriction and access limitations. If you drove on Main Beach Surfers Paradise you'd be in trouble, unless of course you were the life guard.

In regards to tracks and private property, as long as your not making your own tracks taking undue care "bush bashing" all would be acceptable.

As stated by RACQ anyway

Johno
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Reply By: DIO - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 18:49

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 18:49
Probably doesn't really matter what everyone else thinks you may or may not be allowed to do. If the Insurance Company imposes a particular definition, restriction or whatever into the policy, the solution is simple - ask them for an interpretation of that point. If they can't provide you with one, then I'd be demanding that they remove the said 'section' from the policy.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:08

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:08
Do they cover you for theft of contents ?
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Reply By: Birdy - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:20

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:20
Yep apparently so. Waiting for the PDS to read the fine print.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 07:55

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 07:55
Hi Birdy, I went to there web site and did a dummy run for a quote, found that they were very expensive in my opinion. Do you have any special reason for dealing with them. You can email off forum if you wish nzrees@yahoo.com
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Reply By: Member - Boo (ACT) - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:46

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 20:46
Hi Birdy,

We have our camper trailer and belongings insured with Western QBE and when I asked them about what they meant by allowed by law, I was informed that if it was on a map then I was covered. However, say if I just went through the bush and wasn't following a track that was on a map then I wouldn't be covered. However that was the person on the phone not sure if that is actually written anywhere. Plus we haven't had the need to test it out so far, hopefully never will.

Regards,

Kerrie.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 00:18

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 00:18
Boo - I can't see the rationale in if not following a track - do they mean a gazetted track? or following a track where someone has been before (or you are making)? So long as it is legit to drive in that bush and not be trespassing (do you know who owns the bush and have their permission, or is it public land?) it shouldn't make any difference to your claim. This is of course so long as you are not doing something risky, like driving over terrain that could cause you to have an accident.

We are covered driving on our farm, not on a track. We are covered in a council car park. One of my colleagues had someone run into a work car while parked in the car park, and the police did not want to know as it was not on the road, but the insurance paid (and pursued the other party, recovering all our costs as the car was left parked when hit). My son was covered while driving on the beach, although not a gazetted road, so the police did not want to know.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 07:03

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 07:03
I can say for FACT that what is said over the phone means jack sh&t when a claim is made they go straight to the written word IE the Product Disclosure. Even in that it can vary depending on who interperts the wording.

I'm only talking from my OLD insurance company not QBE. If not in writing as far as i'm concerned you are just gambling on a payout or claim IMHO.

Brian
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Reply By: ross - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 21:17

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 21:17
"For example an isolated beach up north WA that is non sign posted. Are we allowed to drive down tracks to the beach or not ???"

This is largely governed by the local shire but they they rarely put up signs saying "4x4 WELCOME" so if they want to ban them at some time in the future,they can say you never had approval in the 1st place.

An exception is in Esperance where they have speed limit signs on the beach
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Reply By: goldiedingdangdo - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 21:42

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 21:42
Any gazetted road or track, COVERED, any where in Australia Covered, Insurance companies have a way of DeFiNiNg small print at times as we all know.
Personal experience shows they generally come to the party' particularly when taken to task. Accident or misadventure.

Ian
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 22:11

Thursday, Apr 19, 2007 at 22:11
The only way to be sure, would be to check with the Shire responsible for that area. In the SW, beaches that are regularly driven on are not signed that you can drive on them, and my son had no problems claiming insurance when someone ran into him on the beach. The only problem is that as it was not on a road, the police did not want to become involved, although we insisted on putting in accident reports. They did not do the usual blood tests at the hospital either (pity - the other lad had been drinking).

One of my sons drove on a beach near Bunbury once and was approached (i can't recall if it was by a Shire Ranger of whoever), and gave him a map of which areas of the beach could and couldn't be driven on. There was no signage visible.
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Reply By: Dodgin & Weavin - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:59

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:59
G'day Birdy

Over the years we have often wondered where and in what situations our vehicle is actually covered as we find ourselves in some strange places sometimes. Last week I spoke to our broker. Our insurance covers us in every situation unless we are somewhere that "WE KNOW" we are not allowed to be.

Example 1 - If a track is sign posted as closed and we ignore the road closed sign we are not covered. BUT if we enter the closed track in another way (eg a side track not sign posted as closed or through the bush) and are unaware that the track is closed then we are covered.

Example 2 - If a beach, track, area etc requires a permit for safety reasons ( and I guess they will always argue that a permit is required for safety reasons) and you do not get a permit then no cover. Same exception as above.

Example 3 - If a beach is sign posted "no vehicles" and we still go on the beach then no cover. Same exception as above.

This means that under your example of a non sign posted beach then yes we are covered.

We know some folks are fairly negative on insurance companies and reckon they will fight tooth and nail not to pay a claim (and I guess they may be right about some) but we have a good long term relationship with our brokers, trust what they say and have never had a issue with paying claims in the past.

We are underwritten by CGU Insurance.

I guess to make sure do your research before heading off. Information on permits required, track closures and places you shouldn't be is fairly easy to come by.

Hope this helps. Cheers and have fun.

Dodgin

PS Make sure your possessions are covered when in the open air and not just in a locked vehicle. Eg When your campsite is unattended.
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