Extension lead from domestic point to van ?

Submitted: Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:05
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Is there a lead that has domestic point at one end and 15 amp socket that plugs into the van. We have a hopeless lot here at our local caravan place and they dont seem to know alot.

SARGE
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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14
This subject has been discussed on this forum. You should always do a search of the archives - amazing what you can turn up. In the meantime I have done one for you, have a look at these links;

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Short answer, yes, it can be done.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:51

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:51
That is a pretty obnoxious reply DIO.

First, you chastise, then provide assistance but with conditions.

Mate, why reply at all?
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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:22

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:22
"Short answer, yes, it can be done."

and yes it is illegal.

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Follow Up By: DIO - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:07

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:07
Sandman why bother to reply at all, you have contributed ZERO to the thread. Grow up.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:21

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:21
Have a look at this site mate, It explains in detail the recent changes.

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Follow Up By: aka - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:58

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:58
sandman had a go at me a few weeks ago I think he has p.m.s
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 17:48

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 17:48
Not at all chaps.

But when a reply like the above is made, it is as subtle as a sledge hammer.

This sort of response belittles people for no positive purpose.

This type of response just happens to be a "pet hate" of mine. We should be here to help people and assist them in a positive manner.

I'm no "angel" and have been on the receiving end once or twice.
Sometimes the way something is written is perhaps not how it would come out verbally.

OK, I had my say for what it's worth. Now let's "kiss and make up" and be good ExplorOzimites.

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Follow Up By: fester2au - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 00:20

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 00:20
I'm with you on this one sand man. I use the search function whenever possible and most of the time you get hundreds of results that don't even come close to covering the topic. Alternatively one quick question often hopefully gets you a polite and accurate reply. If I wanted to troll aimlessly through reems of useless information there are others ways to achieve it. I look to forums for fast accurate answers.

DIO I can understand you may get frustrated at seeing and replying to the same question over and over but if it poops you off that much then just don't reply. If you've already replied 100 times then let the other 100 people who know the answer reply 100 times and before you know it it's been 10,000 times before it's your turn again and no one gets hurt.

It's about time we all remembered why forums like this were created in the first place. Not to serve the needs from the inside but to serve the needs of the incoming.

Those type of responses are just as annoying as the posters who reply and tell you to do something completely different even when you made it clear you had to take a chosen path etc and want to know how.

Get a life, preferrably a new one because the one you have now must be crap.

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Oh and to contribute top the original question. Yes it's doable but no Electrician will do it for you unless it's under the table secret squirel business. Normally you need to do it yourself. As far as wiring issues go don't know but I do knwo that many of the leads you can buy these days have 10 amp plugs and 15 amp wiring so in carefully monitored situations it's probably not bad but your judgement call to undertake etc etc. Better however to put a 10 amp plug on then to file down the 15 in my opinion.
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Reply By: Flight Sargent - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:01

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:01
Thanks for your reply. I actually did search the forum first perhaps I didnt use the key words that may have produced results. The reply was greatfully accepted and I now understand thesituation a lot better.

Regards

SARGE
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:08

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:08
The reason you won't find one is that electrical regulations (I won't use the term illegal as it implies it relates to a law) do not allow a 10 Amp plug (domestic type) and 15 Amp on the same lead especially if the lead earth cable is 15 Amp.

You could fit a 15Amp outlet to your house, which is what we have.

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Reply By: Member - Brian (WA) - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:09

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:09
Don't think there is sarge.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:26

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:26
Safest option - fit a 15 amp outlet at your house. We have one on the back verandah - not used for the caravan, but useful for power tools that require a 15 amp outlet.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:58

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 13:58
Some people file the 15amp male earth prong down to fit , illegal ?? no ,against best practice ? yes , will your insurance company cover you in the unlikely event of an electrical fire caused by an oversized earth wire connected to an undersized earth prong , ????? does any item in your van / camper ect actually use 15amp ?? why is every household power point only rated at 10amp ??? just do it ,file it down or make your own short lead 10 male to 15 female , the only true part rated at 15 is the prong..
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 22:23

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 22:23
you'll find that the cable is heavier duty also, but often a decent extension cord uses the heavier cable anyway, whether 10 or 15 amp.
But where the problem is, of course is in the house itself. If it trys to draw 15 amps, it should either trip the breaker or blow the fuse. Then some clown replaces the fuse wire or breaker with a heavier rated one, but the house (old?) wiring and wall socket is still only 10 amp.
whoosh.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:29

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:29
Hi Alloy c/t,

Many caravan people seem to want to perpetuate this myth for some reason

IT IS ILLEGAL !!! The regulations are real, they 'call' a standard and the standard states that the plug shall conform to certain other standards and those standards require 15 amp pugs !

Don't worry about the question " does any item in your van draw 15 amps" It is the total load that you should be looking at.

Small electric fan heater 2 KW
Microwave oven 1.5 KW
A small hand held hair drier 1.5 - 2 KW

A 10 amp supply is just way to low these days.
Caravans are just small footprint houses, some even have air con.
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Reply By: Member - Brian (WA) - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 14:34

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 14:34
I just had a 15amp socket put in outside the house by a licenced sparky cost $150
including curcit breaker. Why scrimp when thats all it costs. As someone said
we spend big bucks on caravans,cars campers but wont spend $150 to get it
done properly. Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:22

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:22
A good recommendation Brian.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Doggy Tease - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 21:17

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 21:17
I'll second that mate.

Get a sparky to put the proper plug in the house,,,,then no hassles at all.

meow.

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Reply By: PhilZD30Patrol - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 16:04

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 16:04
Hi flight Sargent

Despite what has already been written, I can assure you that it is illegal in most Australian States and Territories to file down the earth pin or do other modifications to run a 15 AMP extension lead from a 10 AMP power point.

Brian's information is correct.

Your local friendly electrical contractor / licensed electrician has done a 4 year apprenticeship which included many hours of technical study and the associated examinations at the local TAFE. He / she is the only person who is legally qualified to advise you and provide the 15 AMP power point to use with your 15 AMP lead. He or she should also be called upon to test and tag your 15 AMP lead on a regular basis.

Put the thinking equipment into gear and spend a few dollars and get it done correctly.

Remember that, without exception, all scientists now agree that death is very permanent!

The simple fact is that one of easiest ways to die is to play around with 240 volt AC if you are not qualified to do so!

Have I got the message across or do you need more information?

Cheers
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Reply By: kingswoodwagon - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 16:07

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 16:07
Alloy raised a good question,

What in the van actually requires 15amp?

I cant find anything in my van that uses 15amp

Any ideas?

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:25

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:25
What about having a (electric) kettle and A/C on at the same time? Remember 15A is the sum of all appliances etc not just one.

Andrew
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Reply By: Barnray - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 18:47

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 18:47
Just add the toaster, jug, electric fridge and the hair curler together and see what you have. Barnray
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Follow Up By: Chris & Debbie - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:16

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 19:16
has nothing to do with it when both circuits for 15amp and 10 amp outlets both have 20amp circuit breakers
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 21:22

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 21:22
So , just go and check your circuit breakers / fuses in your house , bet any $ you like that all YOUR power points are only rated at 10amp yet are protected by a fuse / circuit breaker of 16amp ,,, pray tell what is the difference of your house with all power points rated at 10amp and a c/van , c/trailer , ,, why do you need a 15amp EARTH for a 10amp system ,, Because ????????????????????? ,no where that you plug into with a 15 amp plug as per c/van park are you drawing /getting 15amp of 240v AC.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 22:42

Friday, Apr 20, 2007 at 22:42
Correct me if I am wrong but are you referring to the fact that it is only the earth pin that is larger? The only reason it is so is in order to stop a 15 amp going into a 10 socket. Not because it (the earth pin itself)will provide a heavier earth rating. But on that subject, the purpose of the earth pin is to direct current from a faulty item thru there instead of thru the operator, by providing a lower resistance path than thru you into the ground and back to source. This is not foolproof, hence an RCD or ELD is fitted nowadays.

On the subject of breakers, you will find that different breakers are used for various applications and are identified by C-curve, D-curve etc which react in different ways to current flow. They are very complex nowadays and dont simply blow/trip if current is exceeded momentarily, in other cases they can trip without exceeding the peak current rating.
I dont pretend for a moment to be an expert on them, but as a marine engineer need to maintain and repair/diagnose medium voltage circuits at sea. My qualification doesnt allow me to design and construct new circuits, only maintain. The same goes with refridgeration.
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