Why do I need reccovery points?

That water looked freezing cold, he didn't want to die of hypothermia maybe????

If you listen Im pretty sure the dude says at some stage that it wont work or similar..
Im laughin too loud to hear it again!

Not a real bright bunch at all, They sounded like Kiwi's???

Unfortunately John I agree with you. I will post it on a NZ forum and see if anyone owns up (blood.. idiots)

Hey Kiwi I was not in anyway suggesting that Kiwi's were not a bright bunch???
I just said "they sounded like Kiwi's" :-)

Then again I have watched that Motorway Patrol show on TV shot in the land of the long white cloud and some of the things people do on that show are a real eye opener.

John if they sound like Kiwis then they are prob from Brisie eh !

Funny guys, I looked and listened a second time and like the first thought German accents and voices. The guy got in to the drivers side on the left too, assumng he was the responsible one. There was already soneone in the right hand seat ready to get the feet wet.

Germanic sounds, especially a female voice a third of the way though. I agreed the third time too...............

That water looked freezing cold, he didn't want to die of hypothermia maybe????

German?? Kiwi?? all the same aren't they John? :-)

I stretched our Rodeo snatching a suzuki off the bullbar, the bar hasn't quite fallen off yet....

I Noticed that too Phil.

hehehe

I thought the bull bar was the air brake. LOL

I think the bull bar was the most valuable bit of the 4wd??

That 60 was in pretty good nick so I'd doubt that the 'owner' would have rigged it like that. I wouldn't even bury a Landrover like that to get a laugh.

Might be tempted with a Lada though.....

:)

Some people should have the word idiot tatooed on their forehead !

When did you get your first rated recovery hooks fitted Kiwi and what did you do prior to that? Not get bogged? I'm genuinely interested.

In fact, allow me to be so bold as to take a guess about you KK......

Clubbie.

Never 4x4'd for a living.

City based.

Lower management role

Been an active particpant in 4x4'ing for under 7 years.

Have done a 4x4 training course.

Have never changed a clutch and don't know what a woodruff key looks like.

2nd or 3rd 4x4, prior to that all 4cyl 2WD's

Couldn't name one station owner or be able to name half a dozen minesites.

Drink Carlton Cold or Toohey's Extra Dry.

How'd I go?

I should also point out I do have rated hooks fitted, but that's not what I'm getting at.

V8 Diesel,

How about trained people in 4wding for many years.

Spent all the holidays on family farm.

Changed many engines top to bottom (not body work though)

Started with series two LR

Owned five 4wd's and driven several others (Govt. issue :-))

Never rolled a vehicle

Regularly help as a 'winch bitch' on a tough truck

At present own three different makes. Two in NZ and one in Australia
(and some offroad experience in the USA)

Mine sites - get a life.
I have been (but not worked) in some VERY big mines as geology was once a big part of my life. The vehicles running around at the very bottom of the mine at Mt Isa don't get stuck in mud very often so what's that got to do with the price of fish?

Station owners - heaps that you have never heard of.

Woodruff keys - certainly did not get them out of a box, made my own by lots of filing! I hope you dont use roll pins to attach tow hooks !

Snow & ice driving
Beach driving
Sand hill driving
Mountain driving
Proper rivers

Not much experience in black soil when it's wet but plenty in mud with similar characteristics.

Don't normally drink much alcohol, prefer fruit juice.

Bottom line - I have been involved with engineered testing to destruction of various makes of hooks, rated and not rated. Only three hours ago I was helping to recover / drag a burnt out wreck and I will only use rated strops, hooks, chains and shackles.

My first vehicle (although it pains me to say it, LR's had rated hooks :-)) Then along came kinetic recovery straps and some enlightened 4wd clubs had rules, no rated hook no join. More recently I have been involved with a safety group that have built test rigs and had several vehicle hooks tested to destruction. Several makes broke or tore their attachment welds apart and bits of metal flew through the air. All of the rated hooks bent and straightened at or above their rated value. This information is available to everyone and people who claim that an accident ain't going to happen to them need a reality check. I might also add that military experience is also good for safety awareness training. The big problem with safety today is people with little REAL experience sometimes claim to know better then everyone else.

Kiwi Kia,

Ha !!! So you ARE city based. That proves it then. What IT was I have no idea hahahahahaha

My apologies, poor 'profiling' on my part there KK - I dip me lid to you and that is said without any sarcasm. I have a very low tolerance level to the kind of people I alluded to preaching to all around them like 5am televangelists. That's why I tend to avoid newbie clubbies.

I still stand by my claim that a run up was not called for and the end result was a foregone conclusion.

I still think they were a bunch of tossers for not helping out the young bloke.

And I still say from personal experience you can effect a successful recovery using judicious application of force. I know it's frowned upon, but as I said in my experience we've done hundreds in the days before hooks were common items. Contrary to popular belief, things did get done in the pre safety days. Also, they continue to still get done.

V8diesel,

"a run up was not called for" I quite agree as per reply 6 to this thread. Why are there so many "cowboys" around ? Must be crowd related.

Hi V8 Diesel, Absolutely no offence taken at all. If I want to dish it I have to take it. If we were at the same bar we would call each other tossers (with a big smile) and then toss to see who's buying.

I agree with you mostly just some different emphasis. Modern vehicles are a bit tinny compared to the last generation. Eye bolts used to be an invitation to tie a tow rope onto but these days they are just for little straps to stop the vehicle bouncing around on a transporter.

Maybe I do have a bit of a mission in life to educate people about the dangers of using a big boot on the loud pedal when you are hitched to another vehicle. The modern trucks (cars) have very inviting bits to hook onto but remember they are made to fold on impact so it stands to reason that if the bolts aint big enough and the metal thick enough then somethings going to give. 4wd owners should take a trip to the wreckers and see if they can find the same model that they drive and check out the damage.
Had a vehicle roll during driver training on a beach last month (should I mention young female driver :-)). Quiet slow, had wheels pointing in wrong direction on soft ground (snow plowing), suddenly got grip, went the wrong way - up slope and fell over - no injuries. Most of the damage was done during recover due to easily foldable metal.

No worries KK, it's my shout for the first round;-) (I sure dug a hole for myself with the keyboard on that one didn't I!)

I think I just got a bit of a bee in my bonnet when I read folks piling it on the poor young bloke who clearly looked a bit ahhhhhhh.....shall we say 'out of his depth'. I reckon that bloke in the modded GQ would have had a fair idea what would happen and did his best to do it. I wouldn't even take a run up like that if everything was hunky dory. That's many tonnes of force being applied instantly. The fact no-one in the crowd or even the cameraman stepped in to help the newbie shat me off. That 60 could be years of saving for him.