AL-KO suspension on a 1985-86 viscount van
Submitted: Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 19:41
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lenni
Hi.
We are looking at an immaculate van about 16-17foot single axle with Al-Ko
suspension. It is a viscount tourer and has been looked after extremly
well and the inside updated.
However I am unsure about the
suspension . Is it safe? I have read a couple of posts and am now unsure. Does anyone have experience with these vans? It has the allumiun frame and looks in good condition.
Any info would be appreciated relating to this van, its
suspension etc.
Kind Regards Lenni
Reply By: Hairy - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:20
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:20
Gday Lenni,
I have never used AL-KO
suspension but when I was looking into it I heard a lot of people saying "Its good
suspension but if something goes wrong with it your stuffed" apparently its hard to get any spares once your out of the major cities.
That was enough to turn me away from it.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: lenni - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:41
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:41
Thanks,
I have also heard that the chassis cracks on these vans. The one we are looking at looks ok, though it has been
well looked after. Do you know anything about the chassis?
Im sure all old vans have problems but want to know for sure what the problems are. The van looks in fantastic condition otherwise.
regards lenni
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:52
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:52
I dont know anything about the van but if you took it to your local engieering workshop Im sure they could
check it out and strengthen anything that needs it.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:37
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:37
H Lenni,
There was more than one model Viscount Caravan put out in the 70/80's.
The "Viscount Ultralite" was generally, but not always, a poptop and had a pretty poor reputation for chassis cracks and possibly disintegrating (imploding) when passed by roadtrains going the opposite direction. (I have seen a couple that did this, not apretty sight!)
On the other hand the earlier (pre 85) "Grand Tourer"was possibly one of the best on road touring van ever put out by Viscount. They came in a variety of configurations, poptop, std van, single or dual axle, beam axle or independent susp and lengths ranging from 12' to about 25'. Generally, a pretty wide range of layouts too.
I believe that the majority of these early vans were beam axle and leaf springs and some (including my own 1983 15'x7' poptop) were fitted with shockies as standard.
Hope this helpyou
Disco
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Follow Up By: lenni - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:42
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:42
The one I am talking about is a late 1985 model Grand Tourer. Beautiful van, but is does have the strange looking chassis with the holes cut out of it. It is not a poptop but a full caravan. perhaps this one missed out on the stronger
suspension?
Regards Lenni
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:45
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:45
Hi Lenni and others,
Apologies for the error above.
The "Aerolite" was the van with the most problems, not the Ultralite.
The "Grand Tourer" was also available in an "Ultralite" model as
well as the "standard weight version" or so I've been informed. Both were pretty good units.
Disco
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Follow Up By: lenni - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:49
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 22:49
Sooo is it possable that the Grand Tourer was not the aerolite chassis? Althought it looks like the chassis decribed as the faulty one.
Lenni
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Reply By: On Patrol (Aust.) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:53
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:53
Lenni
The AL-KO axles, looked after, are great. If you like the van and not sure on the axle then I suggest you get it re rubber'ed and you will have YEARS of trouble free travel. As for anything else on the axle it's std to ALL OTHER axles.
The vans use the AL-KO chassis and assembled by Viscount in
Sydney, they in their wisdom use half as many bolts and braces as recommended by AK-KO Germany, in the assembly of these vans and in so doing weakened the chassis. Fine if you stay On Road but look out on gravel and dirt this will require you to constantly
check and maintain the chassis integrity.
Colin.
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Follow Up By: lenni - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:26
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:26
Thankyou for your reply. Do you know much abour viscount grand tourers and their chassis? Is it easy to see if the chasis is cracked?
Regards lenni
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Follow Up By: On Patrol (Aust.) - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 07:16
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 07:16
Lenni I dont know too much about the van other than I worked for AL-KO for a few years and understand the axle works
well and I found them to be exellent. The van is better understood by the owners rather than me. Saging was a sure
sign of chassis cracks & bends.
Colin
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Reply By: TRAKA281 - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:59
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 20:59
Lenni
Refer you to post 37973-may help.
A previous employer had a tandem work trailer that utilised this type of
suspension, the trailer carried two large diesel powered Lincoln welders plus two (2 of) four pack oxy bottles and four Acetylene bottles as
well as a cupboard containing varius packets of welding rods as
well as rolls of wire for the LN8 wire feeders.
Quite a bit of weight, this trailer was used on open cut
mine site towed by 9 tonne trucks, was subjected to abuse that I can assure you that none of us would put our van thru. It did suffer
suspension failures over thirteen odd years but from what I can remember it was mainly attributed to fatigue and the diesel spillage from the welders didn't do the
suspension rubbers any favours. But should it fail on a van out the back of who knows where, one would definitly be up the proverbial without a paddle.
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Follow Up By: lenni - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:07
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:07
Thanks for your reply. Can
suspension on a van be changes easily without huge expense? For instance changed to leaf
suspension?
regards lenni
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Reply By: dingbat - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:27
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:27
Lenni
Another thing to look at is the actual chassis--is it an aerolite or ultralite?. The aerolite was really light and was full of holes(much like the cross members on current Jaycos) but the ultralite used full steel members. The aerolite type I would be a bit wary of, but we had an ultralite type with the sandwich construction walls and had no problems.
Note that a lot of modern "off road" vans and trailers use the ALKO rubber
suspension, but it does have different ratings just like normal leaf springs and axles.
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Follow Up By: lenni - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:29
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:29
Thanks for your reply, it is the aerolite with the holes. What year was yours?
Regards lenni
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Reply By: dingbat - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:35
Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 21:35
Lenni, ours was 1988 and at that time they also had a normal leaf spring chassis on some models.
Check out the caravan
forum, there may be some more knowledge there as
well.
cheers
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 13:45
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 13:45
ALKO is not a type of axle but manufactures a wide range of
suspension components for caravans and trailers and supply most of the Australian industry, most of which are the standard beam/drop axle with leaf springs. I suggest availability of their parts around Australia shouldn't be a concern.
The type of axle you describe is the IRS (Independant Rubber
Suspension).
Below is the web link that suggest the IRS is still part of the ALKO catalogue.
alko.com.au/vehicle/axles/irs.html
If your worried about it remove it and fit a standard leaf spring setup.
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Reply By: Al-one - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 14:12
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 14:12
Lenni,
I have got a Phoenix full off road van and it is fitted with an Al-Ko Independent Rubber
Suspension. As far as I know Phoenix are stil supplying it as an option to their vans. I have been through a considerable part of the Kimberleys with it and it didn't let me down. In fact there is not much to cause a major
breakdown with it. The most that can happen is sagging due to overloading etc. You can unbolt the whole assembly with eight bolts and send it away for re-rubbering to a weight specification of your choosing. I believe the turn around time is quite short.
Cheers,
Al-one
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