Bio diesel not such a hot topic any more?.
Submitted: Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:29
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Member - Axle
Still out there!, but as a mate said ( Who has used it for some time in a milts truck) " To much trouble with filters overall", His mechanic finally said ," No More",
Its doing more damage than good!. Dunno whether it was just them? The uncertainty of it always prevented me from giving it a try, Also the price got up there a bit as
well. Anyone Using it all the time?.
Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: mike w (WA) - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:35
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:35
Axle,
I use it about 90% of the time in my rodeo and have had no problems. I have been for nearly two years. I had the initial issues with clogged filters, however they rectified themselves once all the crap was flushed from the system.
As for price, in the west its generally about 4c a litre cheaper than regular diesel.
Its a thumbs up for me
Mike
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Follow Up By: blackmax11 - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:18
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:18
I have been using Value Plus Bio Diesel mix for a couple of years. Its 40% Bio. I have had a great run with it. Currently it is 118.9 per litre or up to 10 cents a litre less than most
Sydney Servos.
No fuel filter problems. Just change at normal times
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Follow Up By: mike w (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 00:05
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 00:05
Still waiting for 40% in
perth, BD20 is regularly available, although I have seen some adverts for 100% in the paper and around town, albeit a backyard job. Since the initial filter changes, Im back to regular and sometimes irregular (should have changed that at the last service;)) filter changes.
Would I use backyard fuels? Probably not, at least the servos have to stick to some standards
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:40
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:40
Well I'm running it almost 100% whenever I'm in SA, and with SAFF reaching right over to
Broken Hill, Boronia and
Mundrabilla, which ever way I'm going I can usually keep clean for much of the trip.
No trouble with filters.
Can runs smoother, smells better.
Most mechanics don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Biodiesel and the war stories abound - many of them may be "true", but commercial supply of Biodiesel is very reliable.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:46
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:46
Hi Andrew, Are you using a blend or full on biodiesel so to speak?
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:47
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:47
Andrew - there is Biodiesel available interstate, so why do you only use it when in SA? If the answer is that you are always outback in other states, you may poke your tongue out at me. However I just wonder if other suppliers are less reliable than SAFF?
Ta
Max
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 20:09
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 20:09
to answer Axle first - B100 whenever possible which is mostly.
And Max - interstate -
well there was a horror story in
Sydney with one of the companies early on, but things seemed to have improved recently.
But I will poke my tongue out and say I am generally outback and
Hungerford, or
Charleville or
Alice Springs or
Halls Creek don't have it yet ... unfortunately.
SAFF is very reliable with
test upon
test - others I am not in a position to say.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:51
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:51
Andrew, after travelling and using regular diesel, how do you go with filters? Do you change them after the next tank of bio or what? Maybe the volume of regular doesn't doesn't warrant filter change after the initial filter isues?
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:13
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:13
Hi there Bware,
The general advice seems to be to change them after the first tank of B100 ... I would moderate that advice with the fact that like any solvent, biodiesel works best when it heated up a little (you know salt dissolves faster in hot water stuff), so the cleansing effect it will have on the dinosaur deposits from the dino-diesel you've been running for 20 years in that 80 series, will dissolve best and thus release chunks from nooks and crannies best when it is hot. Thus in winter, you might not get much cleansing effect at all - in summer you might get a lot more.
I found that many tanks after I'd replaced the filter the first time (there was little crud to speak of in it), I found a lot of crud in the filter and replaced it again - this was after 7 or 8 days running in 40+ temperatures in central Australia in December.
Now, I just replace fuel filters at the usual service intervals, but more from paranoia than any determined need - I haven't seen anything unusual in probably 90,000ks except a load of water in the filter from dud fuel from
Dalby Truck stop.
Keep your eye on the filter everyone and then, and you'll see crud building up, at which time I'd replace it.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:27
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:27
oops - I'm a twit, and David won't let me edit my post ;-)
I see the point of your question now that I have it emailed to me. ughg.
So I'll answer it a little less long-widedly.
No - I'll run B100 around SA for 20,000 and then do 6,000 in the other states on petrodiesel and the come back to SA and run Biodiesel again ... the deposits take many thousands of k's to build up ... and no effects in the filter noticed except the much dirtier oil (
well that's not in the filter) and the colour and smell of the smoke when starting.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:56
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:56
Haha, good info anyway in your first reply; thanks Andrew.
Regards,
Brian
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Reply By: MintabiePete - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:55
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:55
I have been running B20 biodiesel for quite a while now , and as been said , much cleaner and a much better running engine . Some people experience initially a clogging up of filters when they first start using biodiesel , I never did , just did the normal filter changes and saved at the bowser with the difference in price . And as has been said sometimes biodiesel gets a bad reputation from some mechanics canning it without really knowing what they are talking about :)
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Reply By: fisho64 - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:20
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:20
Ive run the Gull B20 in my 100 series and my Hiluxes, with no adverse (filters even) events. It is a little cheaper, there is no noticable detriment or improvement to performance or economy.
I use it A; to support an independant rather than the supermarkets
B; cos its a little cheaper and a little better all round.
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Reply By: Love The Outback - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 23:30
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 23:30
We had bio-diesel from Volume Plus in
Sydney and Moree and repairs to our pump and injectors costed us about $3000,~
What can I say about bio-diesel??? It is a sh.. and isn’t worth of trouble! I wouldn’t pump it in my 4x4
Dana
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Reply By: Charlie1 - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 23:31
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 23:31
My experience with biodiesel - I work at a agricultural dealership here in WA and one of our customers was running biodiesel almost exclusively in his tractor (4 cyl turbo diesel.) It was brought into our workshop running very rough and lacking power. We checked a number of things but found the problem was in the injection pump which was very gummed up and minor damage had been done to the internals of the pump. $3000.00 later with a reconditioned pump and cleaned fuel lines and injectors all was good.
When we did some research with the customer we found he was buying the big containers, 500lt ? and when empty the containers would sit around for awhile before being refilled. The customer said that he had noticed that any biodiesel left in the containers for awhile would congeal with time.
Now I have nothing against biodiesel, I use it myself from time to time and find its performance as good as normal diesel, but all this give you something to think about.
I would definatly not leave it sitting in my tanks for any period of time and if I used it regularly I would increase my fuel filter changes.
Regards, Charlie
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Follow Up By: Love The Outback - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 00:20
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 00:20
Hi Charlie
Bio-diesel in place like Volume Plus on Woodville Rd. in
Sydney, or one in Moree, where is big turn-over shouldn’t stuff-up the pump and fuel injectors. That fuel definitely doesn’t sit there for long. That would be very poor excuse from them.
Dana
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 08:35
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 08:35
I think since its only 2 cents cheaper than normal diesel, people dont wanna risk it. scared factor..
if it was 70cents cheaper, then we would all run it
but you can bet your left testicle and right bum cheek that the major players in the fuel game are the ones causing the price to be similar. they have too much to lose to allow fish and chips to kill off one of their largest cash cows.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bentaxle - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:43
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:43
Truckster
You got it in one!!
Mike
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 12:33
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 12:33
Volume plus in
Sydney is 10 to 15c/l cheaper than average. That is $13.00 per tank for me.
I have been using the Bio for about 4 months now and have recently had concerns about it. That little gauze filter in the injector pump has clogged for the second time this year, never had it happen before. I will be checking with a
well known fuel injection specialist in the near future to see what his opinion is.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 15:44
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 15:44
And the pump needs the fuel to Lubricate (modern Pumps) wether bio diesel is up to that task is another concern.
Axle.
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Follow Up By: Love The Outback - Friday, Apr 27, 2007 at 09:57
Friday, Apr 27, 2007 at 09:57
Hi Axle
you are definitely right!, biodiesel on it's own doesn't lubricate as
well, and it gets worst in warm to hot weather.
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 16:40
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 16:40
I run Biodiesel from Gull here in WA with no problems at all. I change my filters every 10000 kms - at $5 they are not that expensive.
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