Bio diesel not such a hot topic any more?.
Submitted: Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:29
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Member - Axle
Still out there!, but as a mate said ( Who has used it for some time in a milts truck) " To much trouble with filters overall", His mechanic finally said ," No More",
Its doing more damage than good!. Dunno whether it was just them? The uncertainty of it always prevented me from giving it a try, Also the price got up there a bit as
well. Anyone Using it all the time?.
Cheers Axle.
i,
Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:40
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:40
Well I'm running it almost 100% whenever I'm in SA, and with SAFF reaching right over to
Broken Hill, Boronia and
Mundrabilla, which ever way I'm going I can usually keep clean for much of the trip.
No trouble with filters.
Can runs smoother, smells better.
Most mechanics don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Biodiesel and the war stories abound - many of them may be "true", but commercial supply of Biodiesel is very reliable.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:46
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:46
Hi Andrew, Are you using a blend or full on biodiesel so to speak?
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:47
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:47
Andrew - there is Biodiesel available interstate, so why do you only use it when in SA? If the answer is that you are always outback in other states, you may poke your tongue out at me. However I just wonder if other suppliers are less reliable than SAFF?
Ta
Max
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 20:09
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 20:09
to answer Axle first - B100 whenever possible which is mostly.
And Max - interstate -
well there was a horror story in
Sydney with one of the companies early on, but things seemed to have improved recently.
But I will poke my tongue out and say I am generally outback and
Hungerford, or
Charleville or
Alice Springs or
Halls Creek don't have it yet ... unfortunately.
SAFF is very reliable with
test upon
test - others I am not in a position to say.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:51
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 21:51
Andrew, after travelling and using regular diesel, how do you go with filters? Do you change them after the next tank of bio or what? Maybe the volume of regular doesn't doesn't warrant filter change after the initial filter isues?
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:13
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:13
Hi there Bware,
The general advice seems to be to change them after the first tank of B100 ... I would moderate that advice with the fact that like any solvent, biodiesel works best when it heated up a little (you know salt dissolves faster in hot water stuff), so the cleansing effect it will have on the dinosaur deposits from the dino-diesel you've been running for 20 years in that 80 series, will dissolve best and thus release chunks from nooks and crannies best when it is hot. Thus in winter, you might not get much cleansing effect at all - in summer you might get a lot more.
I found that many tanks after I'd replaced the filter the first time (there was little crud to speak of in it), I found a lot of crud in the filter and replaced it again - this was after 7 or 8 days running in 40+ temperatures in central Australia in December.
Now, I just replace fuel filters at the usual service intervals, but more from paranoia than any determined need - I haven't seen anything unusual in probably 90,000ks except a load of water in the filter from dud fuel from
Dalby Truck stop.
Keep your eye on the filter everyone and then, and you'll see crud building up, at which time I'd replace it.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:27
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:27
oops - I'm a twit, and David won't let me edit my post ;-)
I see the point of your question now that I have it emailed to me. ughg.
So I'll answer it a little less long-widedly.
No - I'll run B100 around SA for 20,000 and then do 6,000 in the other states on petrodiesel and the come back to SA and run Biodiesel again ... the deposits take many thousands of k's to build up ... and no effects in the filter noticed except the much dirtier oil (
well that's not in the filter) and the colour and smell of the smoke when starting.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:56
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 22:56
Haha, good info anyway in your first reply; thanks Andrew.
Regards,
Brian
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Reply By: Charlie1 - Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 23:31
Monday, Apr 23, 2007 at 23:31
My experience with biodiesel - I work at a agricultural dealership here in WA and one of our customers was running biodiesel almost exclusively in his tractor (4 cyl turbo diesel.) It was brought into our workshop running very rough and lacking power. We checked a number of things but found the problem was in the injection pump which was very gummed up and minor damage had been done to the internals of the pump. $3000.00 later with a reconditioned pump and cleaned fuel lines and injectors all was good.
When we did some research with the customer we found he was buying the big containers, 500lt ? and when empty the containers would sit around for awhile before being refilled. The customer said that he had noticed that any biodiesel left in the containers for awhile would congeal with time.
Now I have nothing against biodiesel, I use it myself from time to time and find its performance as good as normal diesel, but all this give you something to think about.
I would definatly not leave it sitting in my tanks for any period of time and if I used it regularly I would increase my fuel filter changes.
Regards, Charlie
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Follow Up By: Love The Outback - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 00:20
Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 at 00:20
Hi Charlie
Bio-diesel in place like Volume Plus on Woodville Rd. in
Sydney, or one in Moree, where is big turn-over shouldn’t stuff-up the pump and fuel injectors. That fuel definitely doesn’t sit there for long. That would be very poor excuse from them.
Dana
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