Long Ranger Tank Question
Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 18:46
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Member - Brian H (QLD)
Just found a
tank from the above company at a 4x4 wreckers ($160) and it's not damaged in any way but was told I would have to use an external fuel pump. I assumed these tanks were replacements and i could swap things over. Even better its for a Rodeo same as
mine so no mods to install (bolting on that is)
I feel for that price its a good buy and it will increase my fuel capacity from 75 to 125 litres which seems a fair option increasing my range by about 250 - 300 klm. Currently I use two jerries but was looking at a couple more for longer trips.
Anyway what is involved in installing a external fuel pump and what sort of pump should I be looking at. I dare say a good clean out would also be in order.
Brian
Reply By: Andrew-rodeo - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 19:16
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 19:16
I assume your car is a petrol model. I would imagine you can get fitting instructions and any modifications need from the manufacturer. Doesn't the
tank come with internal pump and sender unit already modified?? As for pumps to be used, i would suggest a VK commodore EFI pump (reasonably cheap and easy to come by) There are not too many EFI cars that came with external pumps.
Hope some of this is useful.
Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 19:29
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 19:29
What's wrong with useing the pump in your existing
tank? If the long range
tank has the longer rod that holds the pump at the bottom of the
tank I would have thought that just useing your old pump would be a sinch???????? Maybe I am missing the point or is it a replacement deal where the wrecker gets your
old tank???
Sounds like a bargain if the
tank is in good order. Good luck with it.
Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 19:37
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 19:37
The
tank is in very good order. I also assumed I could use my existing pump its just what the bloke said I would have to use an external pump that tossed me.
Personally I figured I could get this
tank and just swap all my stuff over which is the same as buying it new, unless i'm missing something as
well.
Might get it professionally installed and get a mod plate at the same time may same a few issues.
Brian
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 20:33
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 20:33
I put one of these in my V6 Rodeo. I remeber modifying the float for the fuel guage but I don't remember doing anything for the fuel pickup. I would chat to the wrecker about doing a swap with what's in your
tank as it will make life a little easier. Otherwise the
tank bolts staight in.
I had the rear factory braket snap off on the way back from the cape and had to use tiedowns to hold the
tank up. As a result
tank where the bracket at the front of the
tank is got a hairline crack.
They do hang lower than the factory
tank and if you are on the downward slope and low on fuel all the petrol goes to the front of the
tank and the pickup can't suck it up! But the Rodeos do have a small range though and the extra capacity did come in handy.
Leroy
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 20:01
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 20:01
Brian,
If you have a petrol Rodeo you will have to use the high pressure pump out of the original
tank. It should just bolt in along with the sender unit for the fuel gauge. Some brackets might have to be welded to the chassis to fit the bigger
tank.
If it is a diesel Rodeo, it is a bit hard to tell if your vehicle is petrol or diesel form you Rig Page, then a pick up pipe would already in the
tank. The fuel hose needs to be connected as
well as the return line. As with the fuel sender unit the wiring will have to be done.
Two ways to tell if it is a petrol
tank or a diesel
tank. The petrol
tank will have a large expansion
tank on top of the
tank it self and will also have two large holes in the
tank. One for the fuel pump and the other for the sender unit.
With a diesel
tank there will be only one hole in the side of the
tank for the sender unit and a pick up pipe for the diesel. The fuel pump for the diesel is on the motor.
If you can get the numbers off the side of the
tank and ring the company they should be able to sort things out for you.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 21:53
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 21:53
Its a petrol Rodeo and I will have to go back and have a look at it. I was very short of time when I was checked the
tank out.
Thanks
Brian
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Reply By: fester2au - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 21:05
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 21:05
Brian, unless they thought you were going to bolt in onto your tray as an extra..
As far as I recall from working at ARB all the Long
Ranger tanks are designed to be direct bolt in replacements, although I never sold a Rodeo
tank. You should need any brackets or anything for mounting either unless there were slight mods advised by Long
Ranger in their fitting instructions from new. (There were moderate mods for example for auxillary
tank in Holden Crewman) Main replacement tanks however usually bolt in. Same for fuel senders and pumps. I know the Patrol
tank I bought was set up so my pump/sender unit bolted stright in. They recessed the mounting area so nothing had to be extended. You don't even bother with changing the fuel sender. It just reads full till the extra 50 odd litres is used. In practice this doesn't cause any grief in fuel manegement.
Other sources for external pumps if really needed are the import wreckers. There are several Nissans and other cars that had external pumps aside from Commodores.
Any efi pump from a similar sized or larger engine should get you sorted.
Even if it was an auxillary
tank you would only need a basic electric fuel pump like a Facet solid state which are only around $50, from memory, and it then pumps back into the factory
tank.
Mod plate??? I don't recall ever doing mod plates for fuel
tank installs, is that really needed in Qld. I would have thought Long
Ranger would have type approval of some sort.
Gavin
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 21:51
Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 21:51
I'm just going on with many articles about Qld DOT and hassle they have had. I just figured I'd need one is all, also for Insurance I'd simply cover my ass.
Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 12:44
Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 12:44
Jump on the loneranger website...heaps of info there and evven the different types of tanks for all the different vehicles.
I have one in my 99 D/c Rodeo but Im diesel and dont require an additional pump...but there are very specific tanks for each model!!
If its the right
tank there isnt too much involved in fitting...I believe fitting instructions are on the website (might be wrong...been awhile though)
Matt.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 13:12
Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 13:12
Petrol versions don't require an extra pump.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: wdric - Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 18:57
Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 18:57
To backup what wayne has said.
If the
tank is suitable for a petrol it will have a large hole in the rear right corner where your fuel pump from your existing
tank will bolt straight in.
If the
tank is a diesel it will have a pickup & return line welded into the back of the
tank. If this is the case an external pump would be reqiured to use the
tank on a petrol vehicle.
Also you need to make sure it is not a dual cab
tank as the brackets are welded on different to suit the vehicle. You will need brackets which are parrallel with the top of the
tank.
If it has brackets which are on about a 30deg angle it is only siutable for a dual cab.
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