Rent Assistance for Grey Nomads !!

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Reply By: DIO - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 11:34

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 11:34
So what's the issue?
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Follow Up By: Smudger - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 11:39

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 11:39
No issue, hadn't heard of it before and I'm a tad bemused. Centerlink subsidising touring. Good luck to 'em. Bit like the kids who tell us they're on Johnnie's Surfing Team.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 11:44

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 11:44
Hey Smudger.

My parents have been shaking their heads about this for years.

My parents are self funded retires and have been grey nomads for years now, We visited them in Cairns for Christmas last year and the on going joke was.

When someone pulled up they would take bets on who was going to ask for rent assistance.

So work hard and pay your taxes the needy need you.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Ole Grizzly - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 12:32

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 12:32
Geez...Thank goodness someone is working and looking after my needs.
Cheers Steve.............regards Dennis
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 14:36

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 14:36
Don't just thank the workers, You could also thank the self funded retires that are still paying tax.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with pensioners traveling this great country, but I do have a problem with people that rort the system.

With so many free or low cost camping areas about these days ( created for the grey nomad), the question about why there is rent relief is a fair one.

Steve.
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Follow Up By: Ole Grizzly - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 15:15

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 15:15
Ouch...hurt me back ducking that one Steve..lol
Yeah, my mistake..my apologies to all the 'self funded' out there. And many thanks to our Dept of Veterans Affairs
Happy Times Everyone !
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Reply By: ev700 - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 12:58

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 12:58
I don't have any problems with it. They have to live somewhere and a van is shelter.

As taxpayers we have a vested interest in assisting people to lead independent lifestyles as long as possible.

Yes, I made long preparation for a self funded retirement and did without some things to achieve it. I would add that at the end of the day some self-funded retirees are ultimately worse off than age pensioners because they do not qualify for any benefits whatsoever.
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 13:03

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 13:03
Yep, it is part of the system.

There are lots of people in this country who have not saved enough (for a variety of reasons) for their old age and rely on the Government Support System.

We can't all be rich. If you are on pension there are all kinds of help available. Strict guidelines, rules and regulations are in place.

Every working person in this country pays tax in all kind of ways to keep the system flowing smoothly.

So good luck to the Grey Nomads who get a helping hand to keep the economy going.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Kevern - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 15:01

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 15:01
They didn't save because the government told them they didn't have too.
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Follow Up By: Batman69 - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 20:30

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 20:30
Kevern,

"They didn't save because the government told them they didn't have too"

What a ridiculous thing to say! That's absolute rubbish, there are thousands of people who earn barely enough to cover living expenses let alone save anything.

If people qualify for a government benefit then let them take it.

Coversely if you earned enough whilst working to be a self funded retiree congratulations and well done.

Batman.

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Follow Up By: Kevern - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 12:39

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 12:39
How dare you. before you shot from the hip think , at what point have I said people are not entitled to the pension. they didn't save because they where told they didn't have too is perfectly correct, governments of the past said that there would be a PENSION provided by the government through the taxes you have paid during your working life. I am a firm believer in getting your entitlements you half baked idiot. its people like you who don't read what is actually written that spoil this forum. I work everyday with people who earned just enough to get by but who felt save in the knowledge that they would be looked after buy the government in the form of a pension, and they are now finding it increasingly difficult to get buy because the government they believed is cutting their pension at every opportunity directly and indirectly.
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Follow Up By: Batman69 - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 13:36

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 13:36
Kevern,

"How dare you" - well it's like this, I didn't agree with your point that "They didn't save because the government told them they didn't have too".

I simply made the point that it was a rubbish statement - and it was. Maybe you could sway me if you could supply me with the government that made the statement and when it was made?

As far as this comment - "I am a firm believer in getting your entitlements you half baked idiot" - Funnily enough I never said that you had suggested otherwise. I was simply making a statement that I thought if people qualified for an entitlement then they should have it. Whilst also stating that it was great that there are self funded retirees as well. Not sure how you took offence to that but I take it from your reply you did.

"its people like you who don't read what is actually written that spoil this forum" -
I did read what was written, it was pretty starightforward, there where eleven words that I thought made up a nonsense sentence, and replied saying so. If that ruins the forum I sincerely apologise, maybe you should speak to the moderators?

As for the rest of your follow up, you probably should have read it before posting, because it doesn't make a lot of sense. From what I can gather I think your reply supports what I said about there being an enoumous number of people who will and do rely on the pension. As to the governments role in cutting pensions I am not close enough to retirement age to know the details that well.

Finally you accused me of shooting from the hip, well at least I didn't take aim with my reply and degrade myself by resorting to childish name calling.

I hope you have a better day today.

Batman.

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Follow Up By: Kevern - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 15:14

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 15:14
You are right l should not have called you half baked or idiot for that l apologise, but by stating If people qualify for a government benefit then let them take it in your reply, implies l do not. As for the which government I can not tell you as I am not that old but one government started the pension system and they must have started it for a reason and from my discussions with those old enough to remember it was to help in retirement or do they have that wrong to. All I am saying is there are people in Australia that believed the pension was there to allow them to retire and if you think I am wrong talk to any number of the government run nursing homes and tell them they had it all wrong.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 13:16

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 13:16
I'm a self funded retiree. I still have my own home. I've had nothing from "The Guv'mint".

I strongly and vocally at times, object to those that rort the welfare system and I've met a few in caravan parks. However, when you see the forms, the questions, the conditions and obligations that recipients have to put up with, I'd rather pay my own way and keep Government Departments out of my back pocket, my financial affairs and my personal business etc. They can have thier "welfare cheque" for all I care. It's thier greed not mine and I just be bothered being that devious.

Bilbo - " The off on Monday hobbit"
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Reply By: Notso - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 13:32

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 13:32
Yep, I have no problems with it either.

Bob Hawke and Paul Keatings unemployed lived out of our pockets for years so why not get a bit back now that the people in this country can get jobs.
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Reply By: Cruiserman - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 15:52

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 15:52
To qualify for the payment, you have to live in your van (or motor home etc) full time. You can't own or rent a house. If you rent a house you can claim rent assistance on that, but not caravan park rent as well (no double dipping!!).

Cruiserman
(Who doesn't qualify...)

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Follow Up By: Member - SKI er (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 18:02

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 18:02
Hi Folks,

I was medically retired (high blood pressure) from NSW Tecahing on an indexed pension ( currently $40,000) a year without tax.

Many of you know I am not coping with retirement well, going from full on to not on at all.

So I recently went to Centrelink fro help in gaining employment but not in teaching.

Do you have a number (No)

Do you recive a benefit (No I am a self funded retiree I recieve a pension)

We cannot help you if you are not unemployed and do not have a Centrelink # (that is silly what about all the other folk trying to return to the workforce say after child rearing)

Do you wany more money ? ( No not particularly but yes in a way I am not doing voluntary / charity work therefore expect to be be paid)

If you want more money we can get you more money ( dole) and a number because as being unemployed and a dole recipient you have to be actively seeking re-employment. (OK How)

Salary scaricife.. your state government pension into super... you will have zero incmome... you will actually get a subsidary payment from the goverments "pink pig ad." because you have contributed to your own super... you will be entitled to the dole and our assistance i with a Centrelink # in getting you out of beredom and back into the workforce.

And all this info and the rebound angles came from Centrelink

Can the last one working and paying tax turn off the lights please.

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Reply By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 19:01

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 19:01
>Can the last one working and paying tax turn off the lights please.

How much tax did Kerry Packer pay? Was it around $70 per year...?

Grey Nomads claiming rent allowance...? Nothing wrong with tax evasion then.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 19:19

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 19:19
Mike

There was an inquiry into Kerry Packers so called tax evasion, were he was cleared of any wrong doings.

To quote Kerry Packer : "I pay ever cent of tax that I have to, any Australians that pays more than they have to have rocks in their heads, because you the Government don't know how to spend it."

Now allowing retires on the pension to claim rent assistance while travelling, then letting self funding retires pay tax, I'd say he was right.

I watched my parents work hard to achieve what they have, So I feel for them and all the others that are self funded and still paying tax.

Cheers Steve.

I'm off my soap box now.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 20:04

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 20:04
>There was an inquiry into Kerry Packers so called tax evasion,
>were he was cleared of any wrong doings.

Was there? Do you have a reference to that enquiry - or are you just guessing?

>Now allowing retires on the pension to claim rent assistance while
>travelling, then letting self funding retires pay tax, I'd say he was right.

I'd say it was a rip-off.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 20:19

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 20:19
Yes Mike there has been an inquiry, its been televised more than once on different current affair shows.

The quote was said after he was accused by a senator, for the said tax incident, he also told the senator that she had a damned hide to accuse him after the inquiry had cleared him of any wrong doing, He challenged her to say it again out side of parliamentary privilege.

Yes you are right, any Gov that makes self funded retires pay tax is a rip off.

Steve.

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Follow Up By: Member - Rotord - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 08:23

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 08:23
Self funded retiries over the age of 60 can organize their finances under the new superannuation rules so that they pay no tax !
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 08:51

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 08:51
Must be an election year

Steve.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 12:58

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 12:58
Rotord said: "Self funded retiries over the age of 60 can organize their finances under the new superannuation rules so that they pay no tax !"

Yep that's true....unless of course you've retired on a Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefit pension after a squillion years in the military......we still have to pay tax even after the new laws come into effect on 1 Jul 07.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 13:35

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 13:35
$70- per year??? You are really showing your naivety Mr Harding.
Please provide your reference for this so called $70- per year tax bill of Mr packer? or is this just more supposition and Internet fiction from you?

Oh!! and it was not an inquiry it was actually a Royal Commission run by a certain Mr Costigan (The Costigan Royal Commission) an inquiry into the Painter and Dockers Union in which Costigan used his power to try and taint Kerry Packer.
He was labeled with the alias of "The Goanna"
The commission and the subsequent inquiries were very deep and complicated.

I think the TV report that Steve is referring to is the Parliamentary Media Inquiry in 1991? This is the inquiry were Packer lashed the various Senators over the above matters.

Packer has never been charged with tax avoidance let alone convicted.

If any person is able to manage their tax affairs within the bounds of the law to minimise tax then good for them, thats the law and we all have the same ability.
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Follow Up By: Kevern - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 15:10

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 15:10
We all have the same ability. No we don't, it takes money to hide money. But as you say if the law allows then so be it.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 00:34

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 00:34
So Mr Harding, we are still waiting for your refernce to Kerry Packers $70- tax liability.

Come on your the man with all the answers on here!
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 19:05

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 19:05
For Goodness sake John! As I told you before: the Llewellyn sub-committee was quite specific about all of that.

And stop sending me flowers - I'm not going to have dinner with you no matter how expensive the restaurant! And if you must continue please switch to carnations as the goat is having one hell of a game with the thorns on the roses.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:42

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:42
Just as I expected you can't support your claims and this follow on post is your means of trying to deflect the point away from your original crap by adding more crap.

You attacked Steve in your typical arrogant smart ar$e way and yet you can't support your own fiction.
Maybe you should ask your $250 per hour lawyer son to write your replies, or is he just as much of a joke as you?
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 19:44

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 19:44
You people should get to the internet more often , let the fingers do the walking, and let the Internet do the talking
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Reply By: disco1942 - Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 21:52

Sunday, Apr 29, 2007 at 21:52
Amongst my fellow travelers I know very few who are are not on a partial pension, Those who are not chose to use a bum accountant.

Any one on a pension (part or full) is entitled to claim rent assistance if they rent their accommodation or the land they site their accommodation on. It does not matter whether you rent a flat or cottage, or rent your land in a manufactured home village or caravan park, you are entitled to receive assistance.

The amount of assistance you receive depends upon the amount of rent you pay and your gross income. There is a minimum rent below which no assistance is provided and if your rent is over a maximum figure then the assistance is based on the max figure.

As stated in earlier posts, there is no double dipping. You can only get rent assistance for your principal residence. It does not matter if your abode is fixed or portable, you can still get assistance. So what is all the fuss about? This is the type of thing the shock jocks use to stir up interest by playing the subject up without telling the whole story. The link given early in the thread is one of those reports that was designed to create hysteria rather than present the facts. And as you can see from this thread it brings out their rat bag supporters who open their motor-mouths who do not seek out the truth before they go into print.

There are a lot of pensioners traveling Oz who have little or no extra income above their pension. Why should not they receive assistance when others who have employed a good accountant and rent in an upmarket suburb get it??????????????

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:43

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:43
A rat bag supporter that has a motor mouth, I must have hit a raw nerve.

Just so as you know, I have been saying this is wrong well before that post, so you know what they say about people that assume.

I'll tell you why travelling pensioners shouldn't get rent relief.

Pensioners without assets get benefits to support there pension and bring them above the poverty line, one of these benefits is rent relief, this is to help pay for rent they can't afford, weather it be for a house, flat or permanent C/Van site.

I don't have a problem with that, But if these people can't afford rent and need assistance.

How can they afford to travel?

The answer is Rorting the rent relief system.

The pensioner that owns there own house doesn't get rent relief to travel, in fact if they want to travel they have to use the free or low cost camping areas in order to travel.

The self funded retire doesn't get rent relief, But I hear you say they don't need it and your right they don't, But they still pay tax so as others can rort the rent relief.

The self funded retire gets tax relief this year, well as I said it must be an election year.

Steve.

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:49

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:49
This is not intended to offend those that do the right thing.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 20:33

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 20:33
Dichhead!!!
Use your brains. A few dollars in rent assistance for our senior cits on the road saves a heck of a lot in handouts to other often younger ones who need the permanent housing . At least the oldies have probably earned it. I guess you high rollers would be quite happy to see the less fortunate pensioners rot in low class rat holes so you dont have to meet them on the road.
Get real!!! Australia is for Australians not just you that think you own it!!
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:19

Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:19
Pfft thats not a rort. i get over $1000 per year rebate for getting put up in a serviced room, free meals free gym free pool - well everything is free and for this hardship i get the big rebate (not a deduction - rebate) the toughest thing is flying back to Peth (where i live) and having to pay for stuff
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