Air compressor and tank.
Submitted: Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 21:49
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Keith_A (Qld)
I have fitted a Thomas "Blue tongue" compressor in the back of the GU, with a pressure cut-off switch, and air hose to front and back connectors.
It all works, and holds the pressure for 48 hrs (then i turned it off).
Question 1: Is the piston OK holding 100psi for days/weeks, or should I fit a one way valve? (or does the head have a valve in it?)
Question2: What pressure cylinder do you use as a reservoir?
(one suggestion was an old 2kg or 4kg gas cylinder).
Thanks...........................Keith
Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 22:05
Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 22:05
Wouldn't use a Gas Cylinder Keith. They are low pressure vessels.
A one way valve would certainly take the strain off the compressor too.
If you need a reservoir, consider a fire extinguisher bottle of 2kg+. These are designed for high pressure use. Failing that, go to a truck wreckers and buy a compressor air tank. May even come with mounting brackets.
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 12:17
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 12:17
G/day Sand man. Mate gas cyls are rated about the same as fire extinguishers cyls as "fisho" said about 33MPA which works out to about 478 PSI. I think "Fisho" may have got his maths a little mixed up on the 4700PSI thingy... Buggered if I would be hanging around for that pressure
test aye??????
Cheers Ron
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 21:21
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 21:21
OK, thanks for that info Ron & Fisho.
The extinguisher bottle shape is more practical as far as mounting goes though.
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Reply By: fisho64 - Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 22:26
Monday, Apr 30, 2007 at 22:26
Not to sure about SA, Sandman but here in WA gas bottles are tested to 33mPa which is 4700psi. (at least my 4kg one is)
If the Blue Tongue will go to 10% of that, I might buy one myself!
Keith, you should really have a non return valve on it for good practice.
also you said "and holds the pressure for 48 hrs (then i turned it off). "
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test if it leaks, shouldnt you let it build pressure then turn it off for the 48 hrs? otherwise as it leaks out the compressor will start and recharge it and you wont know if it is leaking?
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Follow Up By: Keith_A (Qld) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 08:41
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 08:41
Thanks for the comment re gas cyln - may have to
check what applies in Qld.
I didn't explain the 48hrs part too
well - did I Fisho.
After the cut-off switch worked, it was disconnected from 12V. 48 Hrs later the pressure was still in the lines. I then released the pressure and left it disconnected.
Thanks....................Keith
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 00:26
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 00:26
You need a tank and a one way valve. No if's, buts or whatever's.
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Follow Up By: Keith_A (Qld) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 08:45
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 08:45
Thanks for the reply. Would you mind expanding a bit on the comment.
I would expect the compressor head may have a valve on the outlet side, hence the reason it can pump to 100 psi (or higher).
If you have experience/expertise in the area, could you expand a bit on why the need for an extra one way valve ..........Thanks.................Keith
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Reply By: Robin - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 11:20
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 11:20
It does have a one way flapper valve in the head Keith - although mine leaked after
a year or 2.
Why do you wish a tank ? (no reference to lockers etc)
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Keith_A (Qld) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 19:07
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 19:07
Hi Robin and thanks for the reply.
I don't actually need a tank, and your comment made me re-evaluate the idea.
More just for convenience - when need to air up tyres, the first would get a boost from pressure in tank - but then again I should be learning to be more patient.
The air line already has a small reservoir effect, and I can do without the weight of a tank.................thanks.........................Keith
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 22:16
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 22:16
If you need a one way valve I have a spare one I would be willing to let you have for , say, $20-. It has 1/4" BSP female fittings at both ends. I also have an old gas bottle of about 4kg capacity which has been altered to take a brass barb in the top (also 1/4" thread size), which you could have too (but postage would be a killer I suppose).
The value of the tank (even if you don't have an air locker), is for things like blowing the bugs out of air cleaners or radiators......or even dusting down the instrument panel in your 4x4 etc. Ever had to clean a part while you're doing some bush-mechanicing out in the bush? Air pressure (in a quick blast) is great for this too; and many other similar tasks.
However, it is of practically no use at all as far as assisting to reinflate tyres. You'd need a HUGE air receiver tank to accomplish that task. And, if you don't have enough air in your tank to do all the tyres, then the poor ol' compressor is gunna be trying to refill the tank AS
WELL as the tyre/s. So, if you do have a good size tank (say 20 litres plus), you'd be wise to also have a cut-off tap on it, so that once it's supply has been exhausted, you can shut it off so that the compressor is only trying to do the tyre/s; not the tank.
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 23:05
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 23:05
Thought the blue tounge was a diaphram pump ie no piston ?
regardless it should have check valves on the inlet and outlet to allow the positive intake and exhaust. You can fit a dumping cut out valve off any decent commercial compressor, these dump the pressure off the outlet when they reach the cutout pressure, allows the comp to start without pushing against system pressure.
Guys, dont forget that if you only want a tank for blowing out filters etc, then we all carry one around every day - Hello spare tyre, just pull the core, screw on a schrader fitting with valves etc connect compressor and pump up to 60 psi or so. Is a large reserve especially if you run 35's or so.
cheers Brad.
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Reply By: Keith_A (Qld) - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 18:09
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 18:09
Thanks for all the input - much appreciated.
From the advice, will drop the reservoir and stay with the current set-up.
The old KISS principal at work, again.....................Keith
(also - thanks Roachie for the offer.)
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