WINCH OR LOCKER
Submitted: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 16:46
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Morto
Hi Guys
I have to make a decision and I am having trouble. I can purchase a winch or I can purchase an air locker. I have had a rear locker on my previous vehicle before but only used it a couple of times (but it was handy) or I could buy a winch. I am leaning towards the rear locker especially since it is for a 2006 Hi Lux and would I think represent better value for money but I will throw it open to the
forum. If it is a winch I can't afford a Warn so I am open to suggestions as to the next best brand.
Morto
Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 16:47
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 16:47
Morto
I have never had the need for a winch I have front and rear ARB lockers and have used them allot. If I was you I would go for the locker
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Follow Up By: Morto - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 16:52
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 16:52
Thanks Troll 81,
I will probably get a rear first which is obvious but I would love to stretch it and get a front locker as
well.
Thanks again and have a good night!
Morto
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Reply By: Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 16:49
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 16:49
If it was me I would go the winch, it will get you out of trouble most times.....A locker is great but they tend and can get you into trouble and generally deeper because the vehicle is more capable.......I would seriously go the winch....IMO
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 17:41
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 17:41
Can't argue with that. But wouldn't it depend upon the terrain he's looking at ? e.g. Sand =locker, mud = winch ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 12:00
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 12:00
I agree with Teabag.... lockas can get you into a lot of situations.. out of most.. but with a winch on.. when you drive into something then find you cant go any further... you winch yourself out.. (not to mention you can hel others out.. ) wheras withc lockas.. once youget into something that you find youcant get out of..
well I guess it's too late...
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Reply By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 17:55
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 17:55
Depends on if you have a decent LSD in the rear, if so put a Lokka in the front (cheaper of cause than a air locker and work pretty good) and then maybe a winch if you are going to get that extreme.
Cheers Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 19:35
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 19:35
Bruce and Anne,
Toyota aren't renown for their LSD's so that rules out the "decent" bit, personally I prefer to be pushed rather than pulled, don't need to take that any further.............. So I would go for a rear Lokka of some description, me I prefer the Air Lokka. My opinion others may vary.
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Reply By: Grungle - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 18:47
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 18:47
Both have their good points but for different reason.
Lockers are great because they are effortless to engage and can get you out of a sticky situation quickly (if you know how to use them properly) but they are expensive to buy and setup once you take into consideration their initial cost, aircompressors (for airlockers) and fitment which entails setting up gear and pinions etc. A positive is that they are maintenance free - sort of set and forget.
Winches are very cheap now-a-days and will get you out of desperate situations where lockers will sometimes fall short. However
winches usually fail when you need them most (except if you keep the maintenance up to them and check periodicaly) and they take time to setup to execute a recovery which can be the difference between a swampped car or not. A positive is that you can use a winch to recover others that are in a dire prediciament but not put you vehicle in the same situation.
Personally I would go a winch first and then a front locker later on if the rear LSD is a good unit.
A point on winch maintenance - you can buy a Top of the range or a an El cheapo which has the same warranty but if you do not look after them and check them every month or 2, you will end up like quite a few people I have seen with 1-2 year old
winches which don't work despite never being used because the armeture has oxidised or
water has been caught in and around the brake mechanism and it refuses to work.
Regards
David
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 18:54
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 18:54
Both winch and lockers are "luxury extras", not essentials. If money is an issue, then give them both a miss.
If you're into solo travel, a winch may be useful.
If you're into having fun in the high country, then go the lockers.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 18:56
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 18:56
If you're considering a air locker, I assume your budget must be about $1,300- (give or take).
Although I have a front air locker on my Patrol, I know a lot of blokes who swear their Lokka or Lock-rite etc are equal to the task.....and they are much cheaper than the ARB unit (maybe $800-).
So, why not get both....... a rear auto locker of some sort and a cheaper brand electric winch (maybe $700-)......or even a tirfor type hand winch......
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Reply By: blue one - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 20:01
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 20:01
Go the winch, great when you make a boo boo. Only used it once for myself and was I happy I had it.
Also good for pruning the garden.
LOL
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Brenton H (SA) - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 20:32
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 20:32
Had both over the years and have finally settled on the air locker as more useful.
A winch also adds a lot of weight to the front of the vehicle which needs to be accounted for by the
suspension setup.
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Reply By: Morto - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 21:55
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 at 21:55
Thanks to everyone. Your opinions are appreciated.
Morto
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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 01:24
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 01:24
Gidday Morto,
Spotted your question, Im also trying to decide between a winch and air locker.
After reading the replies I guess Im still as confused as you. hehehe!!!
Cheers........Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Morto - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 13:35
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 13:35
Hi Lionel
I hear what you are saying!!! But just when you thought something was important along comes nature at work. I went to bed last night and woke up with chest pains and ended up in hospital and got home about an hour ago. So is the Locker or the winch a big decision? I figure after I had the wind put up me it doesn't matter whether it's a Locka or a Winch. Espcially with a carefree attitude I now Have. I am getting both!
Thanks to everyone for their input! YOU WERE ALL RIGHT!
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Reply By: Scoey (QLD) - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 07:00
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 07:00
Just given the fact that you're driving a hilux and your wheel travel will probably let you down first, I'd go a diff lock. As people above had said, in anything other than mud, a diff lock would be the go. If you're like me - I'll drive a mile to get around a mud hole. Good luck with your choice!
btw, for the price of an air locker you could prob go front and read lokka type diff locks? Food for thought?
Cheers
Scoey!
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Reply By: 3F62 - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 08:10
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 08:10
Well a Locker "might" get you out of the poo.....but a winch will have a better chance of getting you & a freind out of it......... AAHHHH it's only money get both....." You know you want it".
Cheers
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Reply By: rbt - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 10:15
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 10:15
go the lockers, walk the line & dont go where a whinh would be needed...
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 16:43
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 16:43
rbt,
"don't go where a whinch would be needed. Easy to say but I have been caught out.
Near Matakana "NSW (west of Euabolong) I spent 3.5hrs going one car length. It didn't look soft. On
Cape York that
creek only looked about 2inches deep and less than 3 feet wide but it swallowed the car. Glad my mate had a winch.
Duncs
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 17:09
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 at 17:09
My 2 Bobs worth,
I have had both on my Patrol and found that the locka in the front the way to go and have even sold the winch from the front.
Reasons.
When bogged or cannot go any further forward it is most often the case that rearward is the way to go = front winch useless.
An electric winch on the front will not pull one sideways as I have found to my chagrin often there is no real anchor point to winch off.
The locka is auto and usually gets me out of trouble however when stuck a hand operated winch will work in all directions. It is hard work but one learns a valuable lesson.
My advice If you cannot afford both go the locka air or otherwise.
The lock rite is one of the best accessories or necessities I have installed.
The best has been the Engel for the liquid of life.
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