Which tyres would suit me?

Submitted: Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 14:08
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I've done a search and not really come up with anything that meets my situation.

In July I'm travelling from Perth, up the coast to Derby, hitting up the Gibb river Road and checking out all the gorges, Mitchell Falls, up to Kalumbaru, Honeymoon Bay, through to Kunnunurra and then down to Halls Creek, Wolf Creek Crater, Fitrzoy, and then either inland back to Perth or back down the coast.

When I get back, to Perth after my two month honeymoon, I do plan on a bit of off-roading, nothing hardcore, a bit of sand driving etc.

I'm concerned about the Gibb River Road and getting a flat tyre. Do I buy the Cooper STs or the Cooper ST-Cs or even the ST-Ts?

My tyre guy (a good mate of mine) recommends just the STs, but I still have my concerns regarding the GRR.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Jason.
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Reply By: deserter - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 14:48

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 14:48
Be interesting to see the answers. I currently have my local ARB trying to sell me a set of Coopers. But I am hanging off because of the amount of anti-Cooper comments on the various forums.
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Reply By: Redback - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 14:48

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 14:48
I wouldn't put Coopers on my car again if you gave them too me.

Go with Mickey Thompson AT or BFG ATs or Bridgestones ATs Goodyear AT.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: uneekwahn - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:06

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:06
Please at least provide a reason so I can make an informed decision as to which tyres I should purchase.

"I wouldn't use them again" doesn't really help me decide if they're what I need :)

Jason.
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:16

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:16
Go to the forum index find, search type in tyre go back 2/3 years on start date, then put todays date press go.

By the time you have finished reading all those post and threads on tyres, you will not only be an expert on tyres, you will also be an old man.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:21

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:21
OK first i had were STs, they lasted 6000ks before they were chipped so bad they were replaced no charge under warrenty, 2nd set were ST/Cs replaced with STTs after 20.000ks, we approached Cooper at 12,000ks saying they were stuffed but the rep said the blocks aren't seperating from the case so they rejected the first claim for them, then we approached them again at 22,000ks with whole tread blocks seperated from all 5 tyres (spare was used in rotation)

Here are just 3 photos of the ST/Cs the so called CHIP RESISTANT Coopers, LOL







Baz.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:26

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:26
That should read again at 20,00ks, the STTs lasted 22,000ks, i just replaced them myself deciding not to go the warrenty way with Coopers but to bite the bullet and go with another brand, apparently they won't let you go with another brand if you get a warrenty claim.

I have Nankang M/Ts now so far they are good, only time will tell and a couple of High country and inland trips to see if they any good for the long haul.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Fatman - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:36

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:36
Hi Redback

Just curious mate...what tyre pressure was you running in the coopers?? and did you vary it between dirt and bitumen...?? Thanks , FATMAN
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:49

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 15:49
When loaded 40 to 42 in the rear, and 34psi in the front on the tar, off road depended on how loaded i was and the surface, but around 26psi F & R.

I had the same conversation with the Cooper rep, he said that was OK, in fact they didn't argue at all after i told them the second time i came back or the third.

Factory pressure or what the tyre placard for my vehicle say 28psi front and 38psi rear.

I'm pretty fussy with pressures, come from my motorcycle racing days ;-))

Baz.
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Follow Up By: uneekwahn - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:15

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:15
Thats what I'm looking for :)

Thanks for the info, hopefully some people have had some positives with them so it's not all one sided (I hope :))

Jason.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:56

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:56
Good luck.....its been a while since any positive feedback on Coopers has been posted.Also have a look at the MTR's.
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Reply By: Olcoolone (SA) - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:09

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:09
Arn't Mickey Thompson's made by Coopers.

Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:35

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:35
Yes they are, but MT MTZs have a much stronger side walls carbon fibre I believe.
Anyway I have both but because of the better side walls in the MTZs so thats what I would be using for a trip up there, on the black top they are as good as the Cooper STs.
A friend of mine had 5 flats and threaded 2 of his Coopers on the GRR last year.
So there is my 2 cents worth
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:07

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:07
Hercules are made by Coopers, don't know about M Thompson.
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Follow Up By: growler - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 19:15

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 19:15
Have a set of Hercs on the GQ,only done 15k but lookin good so far,mostly on the tar but copped a fair hidding around Lakefield N.P,Laura-Bathurst Heads area,will be going back up there agai shortly so be interesting to see how they go
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Reply By: John Davies - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:57

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 16:57
The first thing I will say is I use cooper ST's as road tyres and I think you will find them too noisy for your use. (mainly bitumen driving)

IMHO I would suggest any LT construction tyre in 8 or 10 ply with an ATR type pattern or the most road type pattern that is offered.
They will be quiet, handle well, and should give a reasonably long life.

John D
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, May 04, 2007 at 07:58

Friday, May 04, 2007 at 07:58
Agree with that one.

And how you drive. Push the car and tyres, most probably will get more failures, no matter which tyre you run.

Ocassionally you can get a tyre from a bad batch.
So I put the tyres on a few months before a big trip to checkthem out, and see where the limits are.
I also stick to ATs, since I am not driving off road most weekends, and do more touring on recognised tracks and dirt roads.

So I try and stick to well known brands and LT, '8 or 10 ply construction', which really is only a load rating, not the construction. Long gone are the days when they actually put 8 or 10 plies of cotton in the tyre.

Have run Coopers, Toyos, Bridgestone, Dunlop, Simex, Goodyear, Yokohama, Kumhos, Firestone etc, all without any serious problems. Interestingly not BFGs, and I don't know why. Just found them too expensive I suppose compared to the others.

I just ring around before a purchase and see what I can get for what price.
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Reply By: disco driver - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:02

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:02
Hi Jason,

As you probably have discovered there are as many opinions as there are tyre brands and tread patterns.

Most AT type tyres will do what you need if you drive conservatively

Without being too facetious you should try BBRTs, making sure that there is a hole in the middle to fit your rims.

Cheers

Disco

(BBRT is big black round thing)
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Reply By: Member - peter C (WA) - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:07

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:07
GRR can be tough on tyres but most of your trip is on the black stuff

I'd be more concerned about the condition of the tyre than the type. Blew 1 ATR last time but really should have replaced the set before leaving Perth. Best not to drive like a pommy backpacker in a hired troopie camper either.

Can have problems with any tyre, sometimes pure bad luck. Carry extra spare, repair kit, etc if you can.
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Reply By: Garbutt - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:27

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 17:27
Last year I did the GRR as well as the Oodna track, the Tanami, lots of the Pilbara and other bits as well, all on Cooper A/T tyres, light truck construction ones on my Hilux. I had one puncture caused by a piece of wire near Farina on day 2 of a nine week trip. No opinion in this of any tyres, just the facts.

GB
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 18:27

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 18:27
I have just put another 2 ST/C's on the Patrol. I wanted to match up a set which I will swap to the trailer in about 12mths.

I will put a less agresive tyre on the car but I haven't decided what yet. I put the Coopers on while living in Broken Hill and doing lots of work on dirt at reasonably high speed. Now I am in Sydney and spend less time on dirt I think they are not the best tyre for what I am doing.

I have been happy with the Coopers for the last 3 years or so. No punctures no chipping no problems.

The last set of BFG AT's I had lasted less than 30,000km and the dealer and rep both abused me when I took them in to show them. A different dealer might have responded differently and I may have not run so far away from BFG's

If you trust your tyre dealer listen to what he is saying. Tell him of your concerns too.

Good luck it's not an easy decision and so many reponses are tainted by emotion.
Duncs
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Reply By: Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 18:31

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 18:31
Mate,

Can't give you any info on Coopers as I have never owned a set. Though I have heard many bad things, how true they are I don't know......

I would consider the BFG's. I have had 4 set's with 2 being AT and 2 being MT....Now I have done heaps of 4wding day trips etc and the GRR, Oodnadatta, Great Central and many more without one puncture or tyre issue....Now most of this success is mainly due to tyre pressures and making sure the pressures are maintained correct for the conditions that you drive. I personally think if your on a good thing then stay with it and this is why I have stayed with the BFG's.....Great quality all round tyre that gives 80 000km if you look after them........IMHO.....

Good Luck which ever way you decide to go.....
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Reply By: Keith_A (Qld) - Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 20:11

Thursday, May 03, 2007 at 20:11
Hi Jason - in the middle of the same decision, AND about to do a very similar trip to you but from the east, Savanah way; GRR, Tanami, then Plenty.
Currently run Cooper ST - they have worn well but have chipped badly, and I need more grip - bogged in mud etc near Eromanga last June at 13 psi.
So - have decided on Toyo Open country MT.
Only marginally dearer; higher load rating; looks to be a stronger tyre all round.
Promo says ok for 4wd offroad racing and rock climbing.
Excellent user reports on the Net. Worth a look..................Keith
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Reply By: Zodarp - Friday, May 04, 2007 at 05:54

Friday, May 04, 2007 at 05:54
Never ever put toyo open country tyres on a 4wd. Allthough they appeared to wear well, the traction on wet roads was abismal to the point of being dangeruos. Just touch the throttle on a wet roundabout and you would find yourself facing the wrong way. Puncture resistance was also poor with rocks going through the tread on normal unsealed roads. At one time the left rear suffered a pointy rock straight through the tread and destroyed the tyre, next weekend the new replacement tyre was also damaged by the same method. Very soon after BFG AT's were fitted and the next 120,000 klms were trouble free.
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Follow Up By: Keith_A (Qld) - Friday, May 04, 2007 at 21:46

Friday, May 04, 2007 at 21:46
Hi Zodarp - which of the Toyo Open Country patterns did you have?
There are several configurations - as with most of the brands, and it would be of value to know which performed so badly in the wet.............thanks...............>Keith
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, May 04, 2007 at 08:32

Friday, May 04, 2007 at 08:32
The trip you're planning will easily be done on a set of AT's or ATR's. No need for anything more aggressive.
Which brand you choose is really irrelevant as you'll find fanboys and knockers for every brand you can think of. Most important thing is to run the correct pressures for the conditions and drive at an appropriate speed.

Personally I run Cooper ATR's. Previously have had 2 sets of Cooper AT's. Only ever had two punctures, one of which was caused by a nail in suburbia. Prior to those I had 2 sets of Desert Duellers on my short wheel base and only had one flat on those (ripped a sidewall out in a creek crossing).

Have a good one....
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