Winch or locker

Submitted: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 17:28
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Good evening all just weighing up my two options here i drive a troopy 2h and do carry a bit of weight in it what would be a better purchase a locker for the vechicle front or rear? i dont know, or do i purchase a winch then what size do i get.

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Stephen
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Reply By: Harry - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 17:46

Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 17:46
G'day,
I've had winches and I've had lockers and I've still got lockers.
A locker will get you through. Great in sand and on loose rock etc. Slow crawl on low pressures.
Nice to have an electric winch, I sold mine as it wasn't getting used.
I still carry 2 winches though, 1 being a Tirfor and when really in it can use the highlift jack also. Used the Tirfor twice in 15 yrs.
Most times a snatchem strap will get you out when with 1 of your mates and vice versa.
Get a locker in the rear and 2 if you can afford it, you won't be sorry, and I've carried the locker to the next vehicle. Besides, once a Troopy owner you'll never get anything else, I mean what else is there. :>)))
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen F (VIC) - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 18:22

Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 18:22
Harry i guess by your coments that your a troopy owner what type of locker do you use and what is a ruff price and also what size hand winch do you use. As i will be doing a bit of solo travels what size electric winch should i look at, have found a second hand xd9000 for sale.
Cheers Stephen.
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Reply By: Sludgie - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 19:35

Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 19:35
Gidday Stephen, I have both in the troopy and definatley use the locker a lot more than the front winch (vary rare to use the winchat all).Have an ARB locker in the back,it would be the first thing I would put in the next 4wd if the troopy ever dies.
Although hard work a hand winch is more versatile, if travelling on your own make sure you have plenty of extension straps ( trees aren't always 10 metres away)

Sludgie
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Reply By: Member - Jason S (SA) - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:14

Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:14
if you are going to put the pric of a locker up against a winch and you are tilting towards the winch, get the best - Warn 8274.

Sell the Troopy and take the winch with you.

Mine is the second true love of my life!!
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Reply By: Dodgin & Weavin - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 06:42

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 06:42
Hi Stephen

We'd love both but only have thw winch.

Never had lockers but after destroying a rear diff in the middle of nowhere by giving it to much trying to get up a jumpup (I know - stupid thing to do) they are now well and truly on the list. I imagine they'll also reduce the need for the winch.

We have an electric winch. IMO if you travel on your own and push the destinations a bit then I'd get the winch before the lockers. If nothing else I remember the sudden feeling of security I got on my first trip with the winch. It felt great. We were happier pushing on that bit further with more confidence that we could get myself out of trouble - and have done on a few occasions. There have been places that we would just not have gone on our own without a winch. Electric is very convenient but if I had my time again I'd by a good handwinch first. More work but more versatile and less likely to breakdown. If I was cashed up then both would be better. The convenience of electric with a backup. I love backup's when one our own.

If I always travelled with others I'd buy lockers rather than a winch.

I'll be interested to see if anyone responds saying lockers first because then you'll never get stuck and won't need a winch. Mmmm Maybe but I wouldn't have though so. Depends where you go I guess.

Cheers

Dodgin
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Reply By: Robin - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 08:16

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 08:16
Hi Stephen

That isn't an easy question to reccomend apon without
really knowing the type of driving you do, Victorian
tracks push answer towards a winch.

Its compounded by the fact that troppie's have poor wheel articulation which limits 4wding for them. (Presume yours also has leaf springs front and rear).

In Patrol's its clearer and front locker is first fixed traction aid.

I would gets some facts first to help in your decision.

1/ from weighbridge get typical front/rear weight bias.
2/ Measure RTI (forward and reverse).

Generally speaking locker goes on axle with worse articulation and most weight. They work so well in Patrol's because both factors favour the same (front axle).

I concentrate on the weakest link and improve that.

E.G.
A typical innocent situation that might stop your driving is to drive down
a 2 wheel drive track like marginal rd (victoria) when very wet.

Lockers at either end will get you an extra few meters when
the flat road is so slippery that its hard to stay on it.

Mud terrains will get you a lot further.

Chains will get you right thru

and winch will get you back on road when you slide off it.

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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 14:52

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 14:52
Steve what type of terrain do you drive? Steep hills, desert, dunes, mud?

Cheer Craig.....
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen F (VIC) - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 14:56

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 14:56
Well i hope i will see all types planning a travel around oz in Jan 08. Currently setting up car to do trip

Cheers Stephen
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:11

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:11
If its for remote travel - winch by a mile - if your alone and stuck, lockers will do nothing to help.

as said, one gets you into bleep deeper, one gets you out.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:19

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:19
For general outback touring I'd upgrade the tyres 1st, then suspension possibly fitting a Turbo (a 2H is not known for it's power). If you intend to go on your own into remote areas then a winch next but in reality it's rarely needed. As the Troopy is pretty heavy particually when loaded for a big trip a 12K electric or 8K PTO would be ideal.
If you are spending time in Tassie or Vic High Country looking for challenging tracks then lockers would come in handy, one in the rear first.
But don't get sucked in by all the sales pitches as the majority of people travelling Oz would have neither.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen F (VIC) - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:24

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:24
Truckster, what size and what brand do you reconmend, i know i could pay a bleep load and get the best but what will do the job at a resonable price.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:27

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:27
Steven.. I have a 10k Warn that Im selling - only cause it wont fit on my bar, so went with a 9000... Fully serviced $1200 if your interested with everything ready to go.. Im in Langwarrin..

lemme know
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen F (VIC) - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:50

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 15:50
Yea will have a little look around at this winch looking at a used warn xd9000 also just need to do a little more home work.
Cheers Stephen
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 16:20

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 16:20
Steve having owned a Troopy which was nicknamed the "Boat anchor" for obvious reasons I doubt the Warn 9k would be up to the task even when double blocked. Even the PTO unit struggled a few times.
Cheers Craig.........
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen F (VIC) - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 17:15

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 17:15
Craig what do you think about a 10k as truckster has indicated.
Thank you to all that have replied.
Stephen
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 22:15

Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 22:15
Steve on a loaded Troopy the 10 K would be the smallest Warn electric I'd fit. It is basically the same heavier construction as the 12K with thicker cable than a 9K but with slightly different gearing. It would do the job pretty well. Where they aren't so good is hauling the truck long distances up slippery hills.(100m+) Options here are PTO or PTO driven hydraulic of which a few come up 2nd hand off ex government & mining Cruisers but on most round Oz trips that's not normally an issue.
If in good order $1200 seems a half reasonable price too. Truckster drives a Nissan so he'll tell you it was only used once to pull a Toyota out one day ;-))
Cheers Craig.............
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