Tanami Pump
Submitted: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 18:38
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Willem
I was looking around for an easier method to get fuel from jerries to tank and knew of the Tanami Pump. I know also know that Member Sandman has one and swears by it. After a bit of Googling I saw what it looked like and decided I could make one meself....with a bit of help from a mate with a gas welder.
I used a jerrycan pourer (ex Super Cheap) and removed the nozzle. Then got the mate to solder in a tyre valve and a copper pipe to the spout. Connected a plastic hose to the spout with a clamp and the job was done. Cost $20 all up.
With the pump clamped in place and with the air pump running, the jerry is emptied within a minute . I haven't timed it yet, so its a guess, but it is quick.
No more lifting heavy jerries again.
Too easy!!!
Cheers
Reply By: TD100 - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 19:33
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 19:33
when we last went up to cross the simpson one guy had 2 small kegs mounted under his tray with a valve and copper nozzle from in the keg at the bottom and tubeless valve stem at the top.same principle but he had water in them.pumped them up and you could get mostof the water out with one inflation.good idea mees thinks!Paul
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Reply By: Member - Clive G (NZ) - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 19:54
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 19:54
Hi Willem.
Your Tanami pump sounds like a real labour saver, but you should be very carful with it. You don't say if your made up outlet system is locked down solid and air tight. If it is it could be a ticking bomb. Don't have a jerry at
home with me at the moment so going by memory on sizes, all 6 sides could add up to something like 790sq inches. Now multiply that by say 20 PSI (nothing for an air pump) and you have a total internal load on the square cornered jerry can of 15.800 lbs. Don't get me wrong the pressure system is great and I use it lot in my boat and 4x4. The safest way is to use the system you have got but have no valve core in the stem and use one of those tapered plastic nozzels that come with most air pumps for air beds etc. That way you have to hold the nozzel it in place by hand which isn't very air tight and can release the pressure at will to keep it at about 2-3PSI which is heaps.
Regards .CliveG (NZ)
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:09
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:09
Clive
Dunno mate. That sounds too technical. Air tight where nozzle clamps on to jerry. Air pumps in one inlet(no internal valve) and diesel flows out of other hole. Both holes(pipes) the same size.
BTW jerrycans were designed to be dropped from low flying aircraft without bursting at the seams. Some of
mine are newer ones and some older.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:11
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:11
Clive,
Using Willie's system, there is no chance of any pressure build-up within the jerry can. That would only be possible if he were to have added a tap/valve etc on the outlet hose.
It is my understanding that he doesn't have such a tap, so as soon as he applies the air pressure via compressor, the fuel starts to flow from the jerry can, up the hose, into his fuel tank.
I get the impression you (mistakenly) think he is carrying around a pressurised vessel, just waiting for the right time to decant the fuel.
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Reply By: LCRUZA (VIC) - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:24
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:24
I have a real Tanami Pump and it has a pressure relief valve so that the internal pressure within the JerryCan does not go above 5 or 10PSI. They are great and have used it on many trips and do not have to move or lift the Jerry Cans.
Ron
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:40
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 20:40
I have no pressure relief valve. Don't know what the pressure will be coming out of the air pump but the fuel is displaced immediately so there shouldnt be any pressure build up.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:16
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:16
Willem
yes you do have a relief valve it's called the seams...LOL
Richard
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:52
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:52
Funny Man....:-)))
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:16
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:16
I believe you are OK with your invention Willem.
Mine also has the pressure relief valve but I reakon this is more to protect against "commercial litigation".
As Roachie says, air goes in, fuel (or air) comes out, so there should be no real safety issue with your invention.
The one plus with the pressure relieve valve is enabling a quick interuption to flow by the instant release of the built up (low) pressure. Fuel flow stops immediately.
Now all you need to complete your invention Willem is an adapter air hose.
I made up one that has a clamp style air connector at both ends and a valve towards one end. I connect one end to the spare tyre and the other to the Tanami Pump. Crack open the air valve (tap) to start the flow. No need to get the pump out as there is enough pressure in the tyre to empty three jerrycans (60 litres) or more.
I usually inflate the spare to 55 psi for this purpose and it is easy to reinflate the spare "at camp".
Just remember, it pays to ensure the jerry is earthed to the vehicle, or ground, to eliminate static electricity.
This fantastic device really does made the transfer process effortless and "enjoyable"
Good luck with your invention Willem.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:36
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:36
Sandman
My jerrycans all have rubber soles. I have made these and glued them to the bottom of each jerry so that they do not rub through whilst lying down in the trailer. Would that negate static electricity?
I like your idea with the air hose. Will go to my tyre bloke tomorrow and raid his toolbox.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:40
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:40
I think the rubber feet may negate good earthing.
My jerries sit in racks on the Camper A-frame, but these are "insulated" somewhat by duct tape covered foam rubber strips to eliminate metal to metal rubbing.
I make sure by placing a jumper lead from the jerry to an earthing point on the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:55
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:55
But but but...........I thought rubber was an insulator. The hose to the vehicle is rubber/plastic as
well
Anyway, where is this static electricity coming from??
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 22:27
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 22:27
Willem,
The static electricity comes from the fuel. Hydrocarbons generate static as the mollecules rub one against the other and as they rub against the container. The nozzle at the servo is metal and has those blunt teeth on it so tht it will make a good earth with your vehicle.
I don't believe it is a major problem with diesel but if you were pumping petrol you should connect an earth lead.
What we use at work is a chain connected to a spike (weld a largeish tent peg to it) with a bulldog clamp also attached. The bull dog clamp is clipped to the lip of the jerry can with one end of the chain dropped into the can, it should reach the bottom. The spike, which is attached to the other end of the chain should be driven into the ground to ensure a good earth. Failing this a jumper lead clipped to a tent peg will suffice.
Just looking at what I have described here it won't work with your pump. Or your pump won't work with it, 'case the air will get out. Clamp your jumper lead to the jerry can handle and the other end to the tent peg.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Thylacine - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 23:22
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 23:22
Static-charge ignition is of low likelihood, but to correctly negate this you need to equalise the charge between vehicle and Jerry. This means a conducting strap between the two.
Connecting only one to an earth-peg will achieve nothing.
ed
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Reply By: Roughneck - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:18
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:18
Willem We have been using the air system for years and if you were to have a decent look at what has been suggested you might change your mind , all you need is some sort of air system ie
hand pump would do . We used to fuel the tractors up on the
farm with the same system out of 44 gallon drums ,pretty quick to . Cheers Roughneck
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:36
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 21:36
I used the same system years ago to re-fuel the road train prime mover from belly tanks under the trailers.
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