Full Story on the Neeeesan

Also they are very consistent!!, evidentley the 2006mod. is as chitful as the 2000 mod.

Probably true Hairy, but Mitsubishi would replace it and so would Hyundia. Sort off makes you wonder why Nissan class themselves as one of the big 2 Off Roaders.

He mentioned that he should have put a better filter on the vehicle seeing the Nissan one seemed to not stop the water getting past and he was told that would have voided his warranty

Phil

I spoke to the gentleman - oops sorry he's a power supporter so I can't call him that.

Anyway I spoke to Pete and he told me that he filled up at the Shell Service Station at Port Augusta. The one on the causeway opposite BP. There is more than one shell for info.

He got onto the servo as it was the obvious place for him to have got the water in the tank. They denied it and refused to do anything about it. He made enquiries and it is extremely difficult to prove.

Nissan is refusing to cover him under warrantly. They say it is the fault of the fuel he put in the tank.

He is basically in a catch 22 situation.

I hope my current 4.2 TD Nissan lasts for a long time because I won't be getting a new Nissan the way things are going.

Tjilpi

Tjilpi,
Thanks for the heads up - we normally top up at that servo. Might have to go across the road to the BP this time.

cheers
phil

We always fill-up at that Shell servo too. It is a favourite for many of the road trains and other large trucks that pas through there.

Whilst it could well have been their fuel that was dodgy, it is unlikely that it will be like that "next time".

It is possible that Mr Neeesan was unlucky; he may have filled up there just after the tanker had delivered a fresh load of fuel. I have previously read of instances where the new fuel being added to the underground tank, has stirred up all sorts of muck on the bottom......next poor mongrel who comes along to fill up his tank gets a load of garbage .......

No way of proving it though.

Another good reason to have 2 filters installed in your expensive 4x4.

Roachie,

I totally agree about if it was that servo it could have been just bad luck, and there's no proof it was this servo.

The main issues I have are that Nissan should never have told him to drive it the 40k's into Ceduna, he has the roadside assist and highest level RAA. Also they shouldn't have said it was OK to drive it back to the Riverland but the biggest thing I can't get over is the loss of warranty if he put on an extra or a different filter.. That to me seems a tad harsh. It basically means he could spend 4K fixing it and have the same problem next time he fills up.

Just had my pump done the week before Easter,2000 model 3lt, the local dealer was extremly helpfull and I claimed the repairs on my comprehensive insurance, cost me $700.00. The total bill was $5300.00. Most insurance companies will pay for engine damage caused by dirty fuel.
Cheers Rossco.

Hi Willem,

I put a reply above to Roachie and I agree with most of what you say but the points I mentioned to Roachie are the bits I believe Nissan have failed in their duty of care to the customer.

Blaze

The problem is that what is being said here on the forum is at the best third hand knowledge related by yourself( Hey I don't have an issue with you so don't take me the wrong way..lol). In doing so, you are whipping up sentiment against Nissan which is totally unfair and is at the best, hearsay. We do not know the finer details and maybe we don't want to know either.

Cheers

Willem,

Well put.......Happens all the time and will never change.....Hard to find it Nissan's fault that he got bad fuel, really bad luck.....Just another note, a warning light comes on the dash of the GU when water is sensed in the fuel filter bowl. Seems strange this didn't pick it up or there is more to it?

PS: See the news tonight where 11 or so vehicles got bad fuel from a Servo in Sydney. One car is up for $3000 in repairs.....Interesting to see where that all turns out....

I think you guys have missed the point. See my reply below. bit late to go out to the car but I don't think the 3.0 has a water trap light. The engine light comes on.

Leroy

Maybe I have missed the point......Still would have to be proven.....Why wasn't the road side assist demanded if they thought this was a serious issue, you pay for it, now demand it. It is truly hard to judge either party when you are only getting half the info.....

Willem and Teabag,

"Seems strange this didn't pick it up or there is more to it?"

The light came on and we drained the bl**dy filter, no sign of water at that time as stated in the start of this post. and Leroy is right, the light is not only for water in fuel, it is for airmass sensor and about 20 other things, or so Nissan Australia have told us since.

As for not getting the facts I thought I wrote to long a post but wanted to be sure I didn't miss anything out. I did miss out saying, I was the person talking to Nissan Roadside assist as the owner of the vehicle didn't have service on his phone(same brand etc but thats another story) so hardly third hand, as I said the owner of the vehicle had an experience 2 years ago with his previous vehicle with the same light coming on and it was the airmass sensor, (mind you it wasn't until that vehicle was taken to Adelaide to a Top Diesel workshop and Dyno tested that Nissan excepted it to be the problem and replaced the unit).

Here we are again on the side of the road with a warning light on, checked the filter for water and roadside assist says to me to tell the owner to drive it in.
Am I, a Computer Tech or the owner who isn't a mechanic either suppossed to argue with a trained qualified Nissan Mechanic and how can we say the light was a serious issue, if Nissan say its not.

Teabag I noticed that you own a Nissan and maybe if the light comes on in your vehicle some time and Nissan say to drive it to them you may remember this post, then again the 4.2 pump is a bit tougher when dealing with water etc or so we have now been informed.

I think you are both wrong in your comments re: half the info. I stated right in the first post I was there, and I spoke to the mechanic also. I am also willing to sign a Stat Dec if the owner wishes to take it any further.

If what you are saying to me is right now, if that same mechanic (or one of you) rang me with a noise problem from his computer and I said don't worry about the noise you are hearing from the hard drive it will be fine, it would be his fault for trusting and believing me if the drive died. I'm not to sure how I would fare if he went to consumer affairs with that one, then again I don't have the resourses that Nissan have for solicitors etc.

All I tried to point out from the outset was that if you buy a New nissan 3ltr and put an extra filter on it or change the filter you loose your warranty, if you do what Nissan roadside tell you do in a similar circumstance and drive the vehicle to them, you will probably have no warranty also. It was hoped that some members would have liked to be informed of these short comings. If for example the vehicle had been a Jeep, Toyota or a VW Tourege my opinion would be the same with advice and assistance he has been given.

As for the vehicles that got bad fuel in Sydney, the oil company have already excepted liability so they will be paying all repairs, as they should.

Blaze,

To start with your title for the post was the Real story on Nissan......Well, no it isn't the real story, it's that simple. Yes, some dealerships have a lot to be desired as with other brands. IMO, your bad mouthing a whole organisation on one incident and not the appropriate dealerships or road side assistant person ( was that person a mechanic) . In the past when I have called Holden Road side assist all I got was a receptionist/call centre person who re-laid the info for a vehicle to come out......I'm not saying you wrong but IMO when something not so nice happens to someone they can get emotive and miss some facts.
Basically there are many people on this forum that are very quick to bag the Nissan 3lt and most of those have never owned one let alone driven one (man you have a Challenger, not that there is anything wrong with that). I don't know how many of the same stories that have been recycled. Yes, there is an issue with the early ones but they are not all bad..........It is rhetoric like this that is crazy.......

My editorial. The Full Story not the Real Story.......My correction though it would be far from the full story......

Yes, I am biased towards Patrol's because I have owned 2 and from my experience they have both been exceptional reliable trucks. I have thoughts and experiences with other brands but I don't go out and bad mouth them as these are loved vehicles by others and I won't taint people with my views.....If you directly owned a 3lt and thought it was POO then fair enough, but if you haven't then it can all be taken with a grain of salt and be worthless......IMO.....

Teabag I guess you are reading the parts of the post you want and not the whole thing.
"To start with your title for the post was the Real story on Nissan"

Read again it says "Full Story" and it relates as it says to post 45253. If you read my last couple of replies it also mentions it was Nissans Mechanic that "I" spoke to over the phone and was told by him to drive it in, not a receptionist. God I would hope that a receptionist from Nissan wouldn't be allowed to tell Mrs Nissan owner on her way to dropping of the kids for school what to do with a vehicle if it had the light come on.

"(man you have a Challenger, not that there is anything wrong with that)" then why even mention it! I definately don't have to defend the service by Mitsubishi or where my Challenger will go. I have also owned a Mazda Bravo diesel and petrol, Yota 60 series, Hilux, Navara, Pajero, Triton and 2 Patrols including an old Shorty, which I must add was the best full on offroad vehicle I have ever owned but also the worse onroad. As I mentioned above it wouldn't have mattered what brand I am caneing the service not the breakdown, all mechanical sh*t boxes and thats what most new style vehicles are break down from time to time. As for me owning a Challenger, value for money it was the best dual purpose vehicle for me when I went looking, and lets face even Nissan owners would put it ahead of a Pathfinder. I suggest before you do the Nissan defence on everything I have written you take the time to read the post properly.

Teabag I guess you are reading the parts of the post you want and not the whole thing.
"To start with your title for the post was the Real story on Nissan"

Hence my editorial, maybe you should heed your own advice? Basically, as I admitted Nissan do have many faults but they are not on there lonesome....Many makes and models have issues that should be looked at more harshly by the authorities......
I'm very happy that you are happy with you Challenger and I wasn't bagging it as I can't. Never owned one, never driven one. You also missed my point but hey, my mind won't be changed, I love my vehicle and my previous Patrol like you and your Challenger....Yes, I also have owned many other 4wd's and some of those where poor but I don't get on my high horse and bag them. Other people may and do have far better experience then ourselves with particular vehicles...My old man has a Patrol GUII 3ltr with over 250 000km on the clock without issue....So I guess his experience is some what different to yours, I mean your friends......Each to his own, your entitled to your opinion of Patrols and I'm entitled to mine.....Let's just accept that they differ........

Teabag in defence of Blaze, I am the owner of the car being discussed and it was me that asked Blaze to put the post up, to try and get some feedback as to if any other owners had the same problem and to also help warn others of the problems. You keep on seeming to miss the point, was Blaze bagging the Nissan or the after sales service? I have owned nissans for the past 8 years and am very happy with the rig itself that is why I purchased another one but I am discusted with the after sales service.

You suggested above it would be different if the comments came from a nissan owner, well now you have them. The feedback I have been after re troubles with warranty etc have never been adressed in your comments, you have just had your head in the sand and defended the brand which wasn't what the post was about.

Blaze only wrote this article because it would have taken me a whole day to type like this has.

I would like to thank all those answered constructively

Any other constructive advise will be appreciated

Teabag,

I think its ironic that you wrote "Each to his own, your entitled to your opinion of Patrols and I'm entitled to mine" It just proves you missed the whole discussion some how, unless you believe Patrols have a problem. No where in the posts did i mention Patrol, I only mentioned Nissan and as stated purely agains't their service etc. Don't Nissan make Navara's also with the 3ltr motor. Why did you assume it was a Patrol????? As the owner isn't a member I guess you will never know... and I'm not going to do what you have accused me of and bag them.

So we only got half the story?????....TIC.....Not interested in this discussion any more. Good luck with getting everything fixed and hope it all works out for you......

Totally agree Leroy, somewhere in the original post I must have included to much info and most seem to have missed these points. I have pointed them out in replies above. The roadside assist said by the time we get organised and out to us we could be in Ceduna... Be like an Ambo call centre saying by the time we get a vehicle to you you may as well walk to hospital.......

Ditto Richard,

If we have so much computer operated stuff on a stock vehicle these days why not have one that brings the vehicle to a holt as soon as senses water. Nissan also told us that senser light can come on for heaps of reasons, (such as the airmass sensor) on his previous 3 ltr.

Other thing I neglected to mention is the rig doesn't even have a fuel tank drain plug, you have to remove your shelving, remove sender and pickup, pump fuel out somehow and mop out the tank with a rag or something.....

Also, the 79series has a buzzer as well as a light to warn of water in the fuel. Its the only warning light that gets a buzzer as well, so it suggests that Toyota believe it to be rather important.

Hi Phil,

You have it one, the engine management light is for about 20 problems, the owner has to on the side of the road work out what the problem is. No matter the make or model, all diesels should have dedicated water ingression warning light. Seems by some of the posts I am expecting to much.

Phil,

I was going to say that, also the Toyota has a separate warning light for a blocked air filter.

That does not help the Nissan but shows that it can be done. Maybe that is why the Toyota's are dearer that the Nissan.

Maybe when the road side assist was called they could have aid that the vehicle could not start and then they would have to come out.

Wayne

in our case they removed about 2 ounces (60 mls) from the filter itself so one would presume only a few drops would have got past the filter

Thanks for the info Glenn,

We did have the filter changed at Ceduna by Nissan, and yes it was burning white smoke. The light was then going off until 3,000revs was reached. The Mechanic in Ceduna then put the Computer on the vehicle and we were informed it said the pump had water in it and was stu**ed. As mentioned he was told it was fine to drive the vehicle home 1,000k's. Local Nissan dealer had the vehicle for 2 weeks, with 2 reports being sent to Nissan head office Pump is now being replaced but not under warranty at this time.

Not to sure the facts are totally correct here Joe, with his last 2002 Patrol, when the light came on and stayed on it turned out to be the airflow sensor.

We opened the drain cock on the bottom of the filter assembly and primer pumped but no water came out of the bottom of the filter chamber, so in ignorance and by the instructions from Nissan he drove it into Ceduna.

As for your statement about the dealer covering it..... not to sure there either mate. He has bought both his Nissans from the local dealer, last one he had for just over 2 years and then bought this current one and always had them do all the services. With all our trips we have done, acroos Simpson, GRR Tanami etc he carries all his spares including Filters etc, but seeing it had just been serviced a few mths prior he learnt a lesson you mention above "carrying a spare fuel filter or two should be mandatory for going anywhere further than the corner store" I must add I don't believe he should have to on normal driving trips, I know all the local truck companies don't, they just have good quality filters fitted, unfortunately as stated above and you can check with Nissan, if you change the filter to a better one you loose your warranty. (sic) the warranty he isn't getting anyway.

Hows it going Joe

Check engine light on either means , you have water contamination in the fuel filter . Or the ECU has logged a fault .

Glenn.

( if you could pass the eye sight test for your licence you could read this in your workshop manual )

Thanks for the heads up Blaze and Glenn,
The nissan filter in the patrol is a silicone impregnated filter, so regardless of wether or not any water came out the bottom, It will clog (does not let water pass through)and hinder the pump(even to the point of pump failure) even if it has been drained after a heavy dose of water or water and algae(comes hand in hand with water in deisel). SO to ensure free flow of fuel into the pump, a new filter should be installed any way. I.M.O.

Glenn you are correct about it stating that the engine light means those things although you may have been too bloody ignorant to have read that I was TOLD by my Nissan dealership mechanic what it meant if it was flashing or just staying on NOT proffessing it to be from god himself so lighten up mate. When the light comes on it is hard to miss, that's all I meant.

Now with the issue of carrying spare filters, I believe that it is a weak point which comes down to the design of the car(and other manufacturers have weaknesses in theirs so nick off any wannabe Nissan bashers).. being............lacking filtration and a decent water seperator. So as a result of this observation a spare filter should always be handy-I.M.O. I thought this was a good point to mention regarding this thread so others do not end up in the same boat and as I said above, I am not having a go at anyone. . . . Just trying to BE OF HELP!

After all, Isn't this Forum supposed to be about HELPING people not go down the road that we wished we hadn't ? or is it just about rubbishing anyones credability other than their own?
Gee guys, If I wanted abuse I would be in the other room with my missus!

Geeze Grandpa,

Don't really think I abused you in any way?? I just pointed out that he has dealt with the dealer and they are not going to cover it the same as Nissan aren't... I also don't believe I am as you call it a (any wannabe Nissan bashers).. At no point have I bashed the brand, only the after sales service and roadside assist.

I agree all manufacturers have their short comings, just this one is a pretty important one that we believed Nissan owners should know about. Even though I don't currently own either a Nissan or Yota I must say when the warnings came out about the Yota 100 series front ends being suspect, most Toyota owners excepted the warnings without killing the messengers.

I put this post up originally for a favour for a friend who owns the Nissan, from now on with the flack I have taken over this post, I am done with replying. I believe most of the brands have their good points and their bad.

I have certainly become biased not to the Nissan brand but definately to a large amount of the owners.

Dearest Blaze,
You stated the passage - " I also don't believe I am as you call it a (any wannabe Nissan bashers).. "

No Blaze I am not even implying that you are nor did I Refer to you as being abusive, so I am not sure why you would be RE-wording the sentence so as to make it look as though I was calling you names because this is not the case.
In the post above though you said:::::

"I have certainly become biased not to the Nissan brand but definately to a large amount of the owners. "

Does this mean you didn't want to help your mate because you don't like Nissan OWNERS??? ; ),
I followed up one of my post replies to explain the finer details of the filter situation in the vehicle in Question as I OWN ONE too and I Have seen this happen once before! The sub-passage was for the other people who jump in and throw their two bobs worth on the fire when they don't even own the vehicle in question and may not have even driven one !!!!!

Blaze, I think most of your input on EO is great so please let a miss-understanding to be taken to heart mate.
Keep loving Australia!

"don't Let "

Sorry about the miss print.

Sorry Grandpa, I seem to have misread what you were infering. Please except my apology for the last post, I have taken a fair amount off flak from Nissan owners in the post purely for trying to help out a mate (who happens to own a Nissan). We all have our Jokes about which brand of vehicle is best, but on a serious note I would like a dollar for every person I have heard say their vehicle was the bees knee's and the best only to change brand completely on their next purchase. :-)

Mind you I would never own a Mazda, Nissan, Yota, Jeep, Rover, etc.....ooops I have already owned most of these LOL