CSR Permit

Submitted: Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:43
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The AN4WDC has finally got the application for the CSR permit on line

Wayne
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:00

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:00
Wayne

I notice some small discrepancies in the document

It states:

a. It covers the length of the Canning Stock Route from wells 5 to 40 as at 1st May 2007.

I thought it was from Well 15(the boundary of Martu Lands)

b. The permit holder must provide the permit for inspection if requested to do so by a representative of the traditional owners or a law enforcement officer.

How do you know what a Representative of the Traditional Owners is? Police asking to see a permit might be outside the jurisdiction of the law.

c. There is no mention of access to the CSR from other routes through Martu
Lands.

Both PDF Links did not work for me!

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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:11

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:11
Willem,

May be the site can not handle the traffic.

I did have a look, nothing new, code of conduct from the AN4WDC

Wayne
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Reply By: Alan W - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:13

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:13
Woo hoo - at last.

Thanks for the fuel figures, makes me feel a bit better that your figures are in the ball park to mine.

Cheers
Alan
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Reply By: V64Runner - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 00:38

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 00:38
Last year I attended a Trackcare Meeting in Perth where two young females were trying to describe the areas of the Matu people. The managed to make such an unholy cock up of the evening, but one thing they did state, was that the CSR is heritage listed, and that no one needs permits to drive the CSR. Heriatge listing takes precedent over Native Title. Therefore the information is grossly incorrect and I reiterate that the representatives of the Matu tribe and the Native Titles act has no enforcement of Heritage listed tracks and that includes the CSR. If any one asks you for a permit or you are asked to pay for a permit to drive the CSR tell them to go to hell as its blatant extortion, plus its also illegal. The CSR is open to all people that reside in this country and to visitors from oerseas. I have heard of tour operators charging exorbitant so called fees from visitors wanting to travel the CSR. Dont get conned.
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 02:19

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 02:19
OK........................V6forrunner
U have just opened a can of worms with me.................... As a historical photographer?????? Does that mean I am entitled to go anywhare I want to????????????????????????????????????????? I will be doing a little bit of the csr in august........ But will also doing many picures for historical purposes?????? Does not matter whether I sell them or not...... I am happy just to have the pics in history....
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 07:20

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 07:20
V6,

This has been the case and still is, you can drive the CSR without a permit, you can't go to certain areas off the track with out a permit.

This is and will be very confusing. Some vehicles will have a permit and some will not.

Your last statement about tour operators charging exorbitant fees to visitors to travel the CSR. That is how tour operators make there money. I don't think that the fees we charge exorbitant and the people are defiantly not been conned.However this will always be a matter of opinion. Good value for some is a rip for others.

Wayne
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Reply By: V64Runner - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 09:42

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 09:42
Opened a can of worms ???? Really ,how ??? Suggest you have another read of what I wrote. Trackcare WA is has taken it upon themselves for the upgrading of the facilities along the CSR. However, no one bothers to clean the toilets , yet the Aboriginal people in the area are quite happy to take your money, yet wont do a darn thing to preserve some of the pristine areas. Its left to the volunteers to go and clean up the foul and revolting toilets that were erected by the volunteers and and donations. The wells that have, and are currently being restored, are not being done by Government funds , but by the members of TRACKCARE themselves - at their own expense
Yes, you are free to go any where you want , but there are certains conditions that apply. The ruling ,as we were told at the TRACKCARE meeting last year, was that you are not permitted to travel 4 Km to the left or right of the track. However, if you go with cap in hand ,you might be given permission to go and photograph all the areas you want. What you do with the photogaraphs you take is entirely up to .
you. Sell them , keep them ,donate them - do what you want with them
However, some people think they are more entitled than others, to just wander off and do their own thing without first asking, and this causes problems . The Matu people are a very tolerant and generous bunch and will assist wherever possible. But its their land, and they take offence if you arrive unannounced
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 11:14

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 11:14
I do not think that is correct about doing whatever you like with photos of aboriginal art .

Willie .

PS - The name is Martu not Matu
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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 10:02

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 10:02
Wayne,

Thanks for the alert. I've been watching this closely and like you have wondered what was going on. We'll be starting the CSR around 24th July - 3 cars in our group. What is your recommendation on fuel now that we can fill up at the Kunawarritji Aboriginal Community? I have long range tanks in the 4.2 Patrol and was planning to carry an additional 20-30litres.

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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 10:17

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 10:17
Wayne,

Just tried to do the application - the payment system isn't working propoerly - comes up with someone elses name!

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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 12:30

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 12:30
the name and address glitch is fixed but the CC payment doesn't work. As at 1230est.
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Reply By: V64Runner - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 12:43

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 12:43
Willie, Respectfully nowhere did I mention Aboriginal Art. Yes I did make a typo error. If only it were a perfect world we would not make typing mistakes , or any other mistakes. Nothing that I have posted was meant in anyway to offend, merely to state the facts as told to us by the two young woman who were representing the Martu people at the TRACKCARE meeting last year. As stated previously, Heritage Listing over rules Native Title there fore one can travel anywhere on the CSR as long as one does not wander 4 Km to the left or right of the track. I`m heading up the CSR from Perth in July to Broome and across to Halls Creek and make our way down at a leisurely pace with my family following me. Remember TRACKCARE WA is currently responsible for the maintenace of the track, toilet and other amenities. Use it dont abuse it
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Follow Up By: Ozrunner - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 16:57

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 16:57
V64Runner, your facts are not correct.

Heritage listing DOES NOT overrule the provisions of the Native Title Act. Also it was mentioned in another CSR post that the CSR is a Public Access Way. It is NOT.

The CSR has always been Unallocated Crown Land (UCL) and it still is. Depending on its previous tenure UCL is subject to the Native Title Act and in this instance the CSR was claimable and included in the Martu claim.

The only reason you or others are now still able to freely travel the CSR is because the Supreme Court Judge excluded it from their claim in his determination.

Hence, it is correct to say if you travel the CSR WITHIN its proper boundaries you do not require any permits etc but this has nothing to do with Heritage issues but because of the Judge's determination. However, I understand the problem is there are small sections of the actual 2 wheel track you would follow that are not within these boundaries and they can traverse Martu lands and others, hence it would be difficult to stay within the actual CSR boundaries for most travellers etc.

It would also seem ludicrous for anyone to do this trip without expecting or wanting to visit others areas of interest outside the CSR borders, consequently to undertake this trip without obtaining the necessary permit would be bordering on insanity.

Also TRACKCARE never has had any official status for management of the CSR, however their continued defacto support is appreciated.
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Reply By: Member - Tony J (NSW) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 17:18

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 17:18
Bloody Hell, Glad I travelled the CSR and other offshoot tracks *before* all this started!!!
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