Help Required (Geometry)

Submitted: Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 09:22
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I am in the process of changing the spare wheel carrier from a 6 stud pattern (75 Series) to a 5 stud pattern (78 Series).

What I want to do is mark out the position for the wheel studs.

When I did the 6 stud pattern it was easy to mark out using a compass to mark out 6 points on a circle.

However it has a long time since I have had to mark out 5 points on a circle using a compass.

I knew that beer I had last night killed off some important brain cells and it must of been the ones that I use to mark out pentagon.

I could use the wheel rim to mark out the points but the way that I want to do the job is a little more involved than doing that.

Wayne
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 09:44

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 09:44
Wayne

Its 45 years since I did Geometry as a subject ...lol

Take a piece of card board and draw the 5 stud holes and the centre out with a texta pen. Then connect all 5 stud marks diagonally with a texta line to pinpont the centre. Drill holes in the card board to mark the stud positions and the centreposition and then transfer this on to the piece of metal you are welding to the wheel carrier(or whatever you are doing).

Hope this helps

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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:04

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:04
Ahh I see you didn't want to do that

What you have to do to get a Pentagon you need to measure out from a centre point 5 lines 72 degrees apart to the distance required from the centre of the rim to the centre of a stud hole.

Does that make sense?????? LOL
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:55

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:55
Willem,

Was going to do it that way, but was trying to it the hard way.

If I was still at work I would have used the dividing head.

Thank you for your reply.

Wayne
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Reply By: Peter - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:29

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:29
Try this link
Site Link

you can sonstruct this with a straight edge and compass, and a bit of maths
Peter
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:57

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:57
Peter,

How did you know about that link?

It would be a link that would not get used much.

Thank you for the reply

Wayne
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 11:05

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 11:05
Wow,

That looks complicated to me.

I would just use a pair of dividers.
Inscribe a circle, then measure around it adjusting the divider points until you get 5 equal distances.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:59

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:59
Sand Man,

My head was hurting after I read that method.

It did work, but I still checked the centres using the method that you described.

Thank you for you reply.

Wayne
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Reply By: hoyks - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 11:36

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 11:36
Or calculate the circumference of the circle (Pi x D) and draw a straight line with this length marked on it.
Get your dividers and step it out so it takes 6 steps to get to the end of the marked section. So that is 5 steps for the studs and 1 step to get you back to the 1st stud.

See how that goes.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 13:02

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 13:02
Hoyks,

Very similar method to the one Sand Man used.

Thank you for your reply

Wayne
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Reply By: Member - dock - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 11:40

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 11:40
Wayne,
Had the same problem, what I did was cut out the metal backing plate so that it would fit into and hard up against the rim where the studs go through and then mark the stud holes with a scribe.
Guess the centre as best you can and then drill the holes slightly bigger then the studs (about a mil).
Place the studs into the backing plate and tighten up onto a rim with some wheel nuts.
If your stud centres are too far out you will have to fix with a rat-tail file. Now weld the studs onto the backing plate,
PS I only used three of the studs when I was making my rear wheel carrier for the Troopy which makes the job a lot easier.
It also has a 20 litre plastic jerry can with a tap for washing hands and drinking water hanging off the wheel carrier as well. Been on for a couple of years and had no problems with at all.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 13:06

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 13:06
dock,

Thank you for your reply. I did get the holes drilled and just have to weld the plates onto the wheel carrier.

The next project is to remake the locking latch to keep the wheel carrier closed. The ones that I have on now are a bit small, so will make a bigger, stronger version.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 10:58

Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 10:58
If you make it up Newcastle way, drop into Ovesco at Sandgate. They have H/duty latches and catches off the shelf.
www.ovesco.com.au/
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 14:53

Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 14:53
hoyks,

Thank you for that link.

I did have store bought latches on the wheel carrier before and one did fail. That is why I am replacing both now.

I could get something heavy duty but I like to make stuff my self.
The rear bar wheel carrier I made with the only store bought items were the hubs, stub axle and bearings as well as the latches.
Now that the latches are being replaced it is more and more my own work.

Those 5 years of being an apprentice are now paying off.

Wayne
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 14:38

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 14:38
sorry Wayne...bit late like a blister when the jobs done, but measure the distance between the studs on your wheels...the ones you want to drill into your carrier centre to centre, or edge to edge (thesame side tho) and set your compass to that...
Andrew
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 14:49

Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 14:49
Also an automatic feature in autocad Wayne.

Just specify no of holes/ dia and done in a second.

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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 09:47

Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 09:47
Step 1 Take kids to school

Step 2 Visist maths staff and ask teacher.

I usually ask the Mrs. stuff like this. Every now and then I see a plus side to marrying a smart woman.

I now step behind cover as the irate women who believe I have denegrated my wife respond.

Duncs
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