nl pajero lpg conversion

Submitted: Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 15:39
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I am investigating an lpg conversion to a 97 nl pajero but am a little put off by reports of backfiring. After some questioning the fitter (10 years experience) said I should replace the titanium? spark plugs with reguler ones. They would want $150 to do this. Is this really nessacery?

Comments and suggestions / questions to ask about the install would be appreciated. I have read elsewhere that the manifold is already removed when doing the installation so $150 sounds like a rip off to me. I have also read elsewhere that replacing leads is recommended but cant see why. If the engine is running fine on petrol why should I have a problem on lpg. Timing is taken care of by the vehicle computer so what has changed.

Kc (Confused and cautious)
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Reply By: flappa - Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 15:44

Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 15:44
Not sure why you would replace the Iridium or Platinium plugs (not sure on Titanium plugs ?) for regular plugs.

One of the issues with backfiring and LPG is the quality of the spark.

I would have thought the Iridium plugs would provide a better spark for longer , but , maybe , they change them more often , so , a regular plug is more cost effective.

I was certainly told to change plugs and leads regularily on my LPG Patrol , but, of course , getting at the plugs is a lot easier.
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 15:54

Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 15:54
I thing for LPG you need a colder spark plug.

Not sure about the unsuitability of "precious metal" plugs for LPG.

But 6 plugs for $150 ?????

That's surely a rip-off. Unless they take 2 hours to fit on your vehicle??

Did I hear that for a Magna you have to remove half the engine bolt ons to get to the rear plugs but surely not for the Pajero?
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Follow Up By: kcandco - Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 16:26

Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 16:26
I have been told intake manifold has to be removed to get to 3 plugs... but on another site read that the manifold is removed to fit lpg anyway hence very little extra labour. I will have to dig deeper
Kc
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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 19:36

Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 19:36
the pajero has the spark plugs in the top of the head in later models that are covered by the plenum chamber(inlet manifold).
i cant see why the manifold will have to be removed to fit gas.
i just did a timing belt plugs ect on a gas pajero and cant see why it would have to come of.
im not sure but id be getting platinum plugs with a different heat range to suit gas and there around $20 each.
cheers
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Follow Up By: V64Runner - Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 21:37

Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 21:37
If your Pajero is fuel injected my advice is to go to Direct Injection which is superior in every way to the standard method. I had my 91 V6 4Runner done three weeks ago and it performs better on gas than it does on petrol. Mine was converted to Direct Injection and have had no problems with back firing . It cost me a little bit more , but the money spent was well worth every Dollar. If you convert to the conventional system then an anti-backfire valve MUST be placed in the throttle body before the butterfly.

You do need to change your spark plugs, but not to Platinum or anyhting expensive. I run the normal NGK plugs and I replaced the plug leadsd with new Champion steel leads from Repco.

Any one who tries to kid you into changing plugs for expensive ones and any other modifications is ripping you off and laughing all the way to the bank at your expense !!!!!
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Follow Up By: kcandco - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:47

Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:47
An anti backfire valve sounds like excellent insurance..... just in case. can you give me any further info as to purchase from? cost? fitting etc. I will also enquire about direct injection but suspect it is approx $1000 more
regards Kc
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Follow Up By: V64Runner - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 21:39

Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 21:39
When I was investigating getting my 3.0 litre V6 4Runner converted to gas, I went through what you are going through and was fed a lot of cock and bull by so called experts. I then went to a company called Sprint GAs Australia, who makes some terrific gas conversion equipment. One of the subjects I spoke to him about was the problems of backfiring . He told me that not every one knew about the anti backfire valve, and he promptly showed me one which looked like it was made from high grade aluminium aircraft material. He stated that it fits right in the throttle body before the butterfly that regulates the the amolunt of fuel and of course the RPM. As soon as the sensor detects the likelihood of a backfire, it shuts of the gas supply to the combustion chamber and prevents the risk of the engine backfiring and blowing your airfilter box and all the plastic pipes and air sensor valves to smitherines - not to emtion the risk of fire

As I dont know in which part of the the country you live in its hard for me to recommend anyone. However if you are in any of the major capital cities, look for GASPOWER AUSTRALIA, or SPRINT GAS and they will point you on the right direction.

I replaced the plugs and the leads on my car as the plug leads are the original and the plugs were were fitted about 20,000 km ago. Preventative maintenance is better then forking out many big dollars because of some know alls stupidity, who claims to be an expert - and there are plenty of them around who are just willing to take your money off you. Contact me again if I can be of assistance. At least my car is running 100 % perfectly on gas and you cant tell if its on gas or petrol.
Its had its first free 1500 Km service last week and some minor adjustments were carried out after allowing the sytem to bed itself in.
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Follow Up By: kcandco - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 18:49

Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 18:49
thanks V64runner you have hit the nail on the head. If you can supply any further info ie photos, backfire valve make and model etc it would be greatly appreciated. i have emailed Sprint for more details also. My email address is kcandco@internode.on.net
I have a mazda on gas also and had one backfire so dont want it to happen again, or at least if it does i want some protection so i wont be stuck in the sticks with no parts. The last backfire was caused when father in law degreased engine and hosed down. Sorry for taking so long to reply... I need more hours in my day

regards Kc

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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 17:23

Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 17:23
Have heard on the pajero forum about a few issues with LGP on the NL.

try:

forum.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/

I run a diesel so havn't looked into it.

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Reply By: wrexed03 - Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 20:38

Thursday, May 24, 2007 at 20:38
On the Pajero top part of manifold will have to come off. Took me 2 hours to do plugs and leads you cant get to them. Well mabey one spark plug out of the 6.
In regards to the LPG if you go injected you will need to remove the top part of the manifold so they can fit the injectors.
Standard platinum plugs should do fine in it. (No backfires so far) :)
If its a normal lpg conversion (non injected) there is no need for the manifold to come off at all unless you want your plugs and leads done.

Hope this helps.
Regards

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Follow Up By: kcandco - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 18:55

Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 18:55
thanks wrexed03. this helps heaps. i am now getting some good ideas on what to do. What did you do for your conversion and what model is it on. Also what type of manual do you recommend? I have seen the Haynes one and have read about one available from overseas. Are there any on the net?

regards Kc
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Reply By: wrexed03 - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 23:00

Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 23:00
In reply to my initial statement no backfires so far. It finally happened on Sunday when my Mrs was driving it. Do yourself a favour and go the injected route if you go lpg.
Cost of airbox is 157.00
Airflow meter is 715.00
Lucky for me they will be sorting it out under the LPG Install warranty.
Im am seriously considering replacing all the underbonnet gear to an injected setup now for peace of mind.
Reason i replaced leads and plugs initially was to prevent this type of thing occuring obviously something has gone a miss.
Even though the above occured still drives ok on LPG but petrol is a mess due to the Aiflow meter been destroyed.
Booked in for Monday morning.
Do it once do it right spend the extra grand and be done with it.

Best Regards
wrexed03
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Follow Up By: kcandco - Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 19:32

Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 19:32
Thanks wrexed03 sorry to hear the news... read similar post on pajvic site. I still cant comprehend that these businesses are fitting these things without giving proper advice. Yes it looks like injection IS the only way to go. Are you considering fitting a backfire protection device as suggested in previous reply or is this there absolutely no chance of a backfire with injection. I would not think a backfire possible with injection system.... but may be wrong.

regards Kc
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Reply By: wrexed03 - Thursday, May 31, 2007 at 01:24

Thursday, May 31, 2007 at 01:24
Its booked in for Monday morning so they can replace the broken bits. I guess they will re check the mixtures etc before they hand it over.
I will let them sort it and i will leave it as it is for the moment whilst i am in warranty under the LPG conversion. Once i get close to the expiry of the warranty on the LPG side i will rip out the old stuff and replace it with the injected items. So the next several months will be intresting. I wonder when it will backfire next.....
Its a shame cause once the system is out of warranty and you have a couple of instances of this type of thing it really becomes a negative in regards to savings on LPG you look back and say i should have left it alone.
Well im comfident it will get sorted one way or the other.
Regards
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