Toyota 1HZ Engine Report

Submitted: Friday, May 25, 2007 at 13:11
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My 1994 Troopy has just been in for repairs and Valve set, the Transfer Case had done 695270klm and has just been fully rebuilt ,$1751.00 , the valve set $429,+ parts.
The report on the valves were minimal wear, 2000th" not enough to warrant shims, this motor with 695270klm has never had the head off, and uses about 1/2 to 1 ltr of oil between the 10,000K services ,It's history is that from New it belonged to Telstra, based in Cairns, I purchased it from East Coast Com' Beaudesert Road, Acacia Ridge, Qld back in 2001 and it had 106,+++ ks , the Gearbox was re-Built in Mt Isa 18 months ago where it also had a new Clutch plate fitted, That clutch plate pulled 85 tonnes (see link below) for about 25ft and did not slip, along with all the little minor things that have gone wrong along the way , and really any car would have them I think I have had a bloody good service from it and hope it last a long way yet, Hopefully it will doing the Canning later this year if finances permit,

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Reply By: Member - Hughesy (NSW) - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 13:24

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 13:24
Sounds like you've had a very good run Doug. By the way your link doesn't work for me mate??

Funny what you say about the valve clearances. Everyone I speak to has a different opinion. I've owned 3 vehicles with the 1HZ all over 200K. On my frst one I went cautious and got the valves checked at about 240k and the guys said that 2 of them had no clearance and were actually hitting the head....which can lead to broken valves (NASTY) and another couple weren't far off it. It only cost me about $220 about 4 years ago (not Toyota).

Anyway the "new" 100 series I have now is making a non-consistant ticking noise and I'm chasing quotes now to get its valve clearances checked too. Hopefully it is this and nothing more serious.

But thats an extremely good run to get 700k without touching the valve clearance.

What amazes me is that I have driven probably 50 different vehicles with 1HZ's (mostly work trucks) and they all perform differently on the road. My own 3 all had similar km's and one was a dog on the highway. They also all use different amounts of fuel even when driven in the same way.

Your case just goes to show that vehicles that do long, continuous work will easily outlast any low km vehicle that has spent its whole life doing 10km a day in the city.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 13:40

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 13:40
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Dunno why the link don't work for you , here it is again. works fine when I click on it.
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Follow Up By: Sea-Dog - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 15:06

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 15:06
I am interested to hear what your non consistent ticking noise turns out to be...

I have a 1HDT and have a similar thing with mine.. for my money it is the valves but I have had it to the mechanic on 2 occasions now and for the life of me I cannot make it make the noise for them to hear when it is there... frustrating!

My symptoms are basically an intermittent ticking noise (sort of a high speed rattle than anything else) sometimes it is there sometimes it is not... The motor will not make the noise until I get to just under 2000 rpm and then it will make the noise until around 2300 then it will quiet down again.. I know that these motors have a rattle in them at around the same revs and I have heard it called crankshaft detonation before.. sort of like rattling a few marbles in a tin can... but this noise is completely different!

I initially thought it was a lifter collapsing but I don't think it is... I have had the valve clearances done a while back and the mechanic doesn't seem to think it is the valves making the noise... perhaps there is another problem! Mechanic says that if it was valve clearance the noise would be there all the time and not come and go??????????????????

The end result of it all is the mechanic calls it "engine rollover" and it is a noise coming from the clutch????? sounds suss to me but what can I do... I can't find anyone to give me a clue on what it could be besides that and i don't want to spend a fortune changing the clutch out to find out the noise is still there.

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Follow Up By: Member - Hughesy (NSW) - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 15:47

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 15:47
Sea-Dog, yes mine makes it just above 2000rpm till about 2400rpm while accerating but if I back off it will stop, however as I slow down without my foot near the accelerator it will come in again below 2000rpm till around 1500rpm. Very wierd and now that I'm listening for it all the time, I've got in my head thats its getting worse. Mine definately does it all the time and can easily be heard so I shouldn't have any dramas getting a mechanic to hear it.

The theory about if the clearances are wrong then it should make the noise all the time is what I reckon too which is why I'm a little more worried that its something else.

Does yours sound like its coming from the passenger side of the engine bay???

The ticking noise from the clutch that you talk about is different. I had that on my last cruiser. I could only hear it at idle and soon as you put your foot on the clutch it would stop. You can clearly hear it with the engine running in neutral squating beside the drivers door. It made that noise from the day I bought it to the day some lowlife stole it (50K) and it never got any worse - so don't go touching the clutch for that noise.

What has me worried is that I read on another forum a bloke with the same problem and he said he was told it was crankshaft flex and he got his replaced under warranty. I'm very sceptical of that explaination though.

Anyway when I get it in to a workshop (got to find a good one first) and get the valves done I'll post a thread on if it cured the ticking or not.

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Follow Up By: obee - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 17:02

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 17:02
sounds like my speedo cable when it dried up.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 17:27

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 17:27
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Yeh ...they get a noise going eh , and the old needle starts a jumping about, . I had some goose in Mt Isa tell to fix it I would have to buy the whole kit, rip the old casing out through the fire wall , so old fool here goes and gets the kit , I got as far as unscrewing the connector from the G/Box and I found I could pull the cable right out , so I did, loaded it up with Wynnes Grease and slid it back in and to this day it's doing fine, Took the kit back for a refund,

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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 19:59

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 19:59
From memory, there were some posts a while ago about the ticking noise being a crankshaft problem, either broken or cracked or a lot of float - can't remember the details.
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Follow Up By: Sarg - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 22:08

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 22:08
Similar "ticking" noise in my 2.8D Hilux turned out to be a worn cam follower bucket. 1HZ's have the same setup.
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Follow Up By: Sea-Dog - Monday, May 28, 2007 at 11:47

Monday, May 28, 2007 at 11:47
Member - Hughesy (NSW) posted this followup

Sea-Dog, yes mine makes it just above 2000rpm till about 2400rpm while accerating but if I back off it will stop, however as I slow down without my foot near the accelerator it will come in again below 2000rpm till around 1500rpm. Very wierd and now that I'm listening for it all the time, I've got in my head thats its getting worse. Mine definately does it all the time and can easily be heard so I shouldn't have any dramas getting a mechanic to hear it.

The theory about if the clearances are wrong then it should make the noise all the time is what I reckon too which is why I'm a little more worried that its something else.

Does yours sound like its coming from the passenger side of the engine bay???
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The sound does sound like it is coming from the passenger side... but obviously not WAY over on the side.. I was toying with the idea that it was the fuel pump and have been under the bonnet pushing and pressing and pulling on parts to see if anything around the pump etc is loose and could cause the ticking noise.. When I first got the car a few years back (bearing in mind it is a 92 80 series) it had a rattle at a certain speed etc.. turned out to be a link at the fuel pump that is moved by the actuator when the motor is started.. I think it is the advance for the air con.. you will see a vaccuum advance thing linked over an acuator arm.. this arm has a poly bush that was worn so it vibrated.... you may have something like that with yours but mine sounds much more like valve noise! I am thinking it is too loud for crankshaft and am going to have the valve clearances done in a week or so to check it out...

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Reply By: traveller2 - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 14:02

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 14:02
We found if the valve clearances are done early in their life (less than 50k) then they will usually last for along while without further adjustment.
I've done about half a dozen different 1Hz's valve clearances at about that mileage and NONE have even been close from the factory but having been set once they don't seem to go out of adjustment again. Yes we did check them at regular intervals and despite 100's of thousand k's they never moved.
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 20:01

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 20:01
Most diesel owners on the forum swear by 5000k services.

You do 10,000k services and get high mileage. So do they get less mileage because they change the oil too often?? :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 20:15

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 20:15
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When I had a 1993 Daihatsu Rocky 2.8TD , being only a 4cyl I changed oil every 5/6000 Klm .,Now with a 6cyl all the 6 years I have Owned it I change the oil at 10000 k intervals, It runs like a dream , sounds like a new motor still , why would I want to waste oil and dollars , besides I would be changing the Oil every 6 days some weeks , My Troopy is doing around up to 130,000 some years , I have averaged about 98,300 each year.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 22:17

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 22:17
Manuel specifys 10k oil changes under normal operating conditions
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, May 25, 2007 at 21:23

Friday, May 25, 2007 at 21:23
The noise from the clutch area could possibly be the thrust bearing and is nothing to worry about. The ticking noise could be the big end bearing journals. See www.lcool.org. This site appears to be under re-construction but is a good source of technical info. This crankshaft flex is a bit suss in my book.
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