Not being able to put car into gear.
Submitted: Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:11
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johnno1960
I am bit worried about going off road of camping
I have a 2005 Diesel manual Pajero with under 30k on the clock.
Occasional I am unable to get the car into gear.
Details:
So far only happened twice.
Happens on flat or slopping site.
It is after a 3/4 hours of highway driving.
It is in 2 wheel drive.
I can not engage any forward or reverse gear.
I can pump the clutch nothing happens to improve the situation.
If I stop and restart the car it seems to go into gear okay.
Any ideas? All help apreciated.
I am little concerned about this because I wish to do more camping and four wheel driving but what would I do if I was In the middle of nowhere and can’t get the car into gear.
I have taken the car back to Mitsubishi, but of course they could find nothing wrong with it.
Regards
Johnno
Reply By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:14
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:14
Sorry that should read 30,000K on the clock
Regards
Johnno
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Reply By: ZukscooterX90 (Qld) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:20
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:20
Go get another opinion.Or it si driver problem!!:)
Sorry can't be of more help.
Bob.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:51
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:51
Take it to a decent garage. Maybe the best is a Specialist 4x4 garage.
Obviously your local Mitshubitsi dealer, is not real
bright ,,, or is he duck-shoving you ?
Any gearbox Oil ,,???? Is it the right oil ??
Are the any obviour signs of things that are missing , underneath .??
And what about your warranty ,,, shouldn't that cover it ?
Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Follow Up By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:58
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:58
Everything appears to be in order:
The first thing I thought of was the oil but It seems ok and there are no leaks.
It is just one of those annoying intermediate things which are the worst ones to deal with.
It seemed strange to me that if I turn the car off and then back on it would go into gear.
I have written to Mitsubishi themselves to see if I get response.
Can anybody recommend a descent 4WD Mechanic in
Townsville.
Regards
Johnno
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Reply By: samsgoneagain - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:56
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 06:56
wont go into gear as in grinding ( cogs touching) ? or just hard against something in there.?
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Follow Up By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:00
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:00
Hi,
It is not grinding there just doesn't seem to be a
gate for it to go into any gear, it appears to be blocked.
Regards
Johnno
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:07
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:07
does it have to be in neutral to start it ? maybe something in that department.
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Follow Up By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:15
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:15
Thinking about, I always leave my car in Neutral when I park and I am I am pretty sure it would still be in neutral when I start because It is already started when I go to select the gear which I then cannot select. I then restart the car in neutral and it all works.
Regards
Johnno
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:27
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:27
oh, i mean is ' neutral start' a safety feature on them. other than that maybe your transfer case oil is getting into your transmission and being thicker it could create 'suction' in the cogs. i dont really know the workings of a pajero . but i must say my sister has one (2005 model ) and it is a nice car ,and goes good too for a small diesel. good luck
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Follow Up By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:54
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:54
Sorry samsgoneagain,
I hope I didn't upset you,
What I was trying to say in my bad early morning typing was " When I think about it I always......" I hope you don't think I was having a go at you.
I checked the manual and there is no Neutral start safty features mentioned.
Regards
Johnno
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:05
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:05
no i didnt read it in bad context, no offence at all
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Reply By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:38
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 07:38
I feel stupid,
I have not heard of it before, I will have to
check my manual.
Thanks for the help.
I too love the car it is great to drive, heaps of room, I am not fussed on the service department in our town though and for this reason alone I don't think I will be buying another.
If I come up with a solution I will pass it on.
Regards
Johnno
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Reply By: Zodarp - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:09
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:09
Perhaps the clutch plate is sticking to the flywheel. Many years ago we had a car that would start in neutral, in the drive way, select reverse and back out on to the road. Go to select first and the lever would not move. Proceedure to overcome the problem was to stop engine, select first and with clutch disengaged then start car. After driving off the gearbox behaved normaly.
We removed the gearbox and clutch and found that the friction plate and the flywheel had worn to a very polished and smooth surface. Apparently the action of sliding the clutch whilst backing out the drive had caused the friction plate, and the air trapped within the rivet hole recesses to warm. When the clutch clamped to the cold flywheel a partial vacuum formed within the rivet hole recesses. This caused the friction plate to stick to the flywheel.
Starting the car in gear released the vacuum by sheering the seal of the highly polished surfaces. The fix was easy. drilled a small 1/16 hole in every blind rivet in the friction plate, to equalise the air pressure and the problem never returned.
Regards Zodarp
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:13
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:13
Johnno,
This sounds strange but like all these things there will be a logical explanation eventually.
Try logging on to the Vic Pajero club
forum:
www.pajeroclub.com.au/
It is active and there are some really clued up people with a lot of experience. I am sure you will get some useful suggestions there.
cheers
alastair
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark F (NSW) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:26
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:26
Hi Johnno
I own the same vehilcel - Did 04 manual - and experienced the same problem.
Alastairs suggestion is a good one as you will find many reference to the issue.
In short it could be the air con condensation outlet - which sits across the bell housing of the gear box - leaking in to it and causing it ( the clutch plate) to stick ask you local dealer if MMA have notified him of the issue.
Again
check the pajero club or PM me for more detials rather create a car repair thread here .
Mark
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:23
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:23
Johnno,
Can you select 1st gear with the motor turned off.
If so select 1st gear, foot on clutch and start.
It sounds like the gear oil might have to be changed. On the 80 Series they had trouble selecting 2nd gear when cold and it was that the oil was too thick. A synthetic oil was the answer.
Also
check the clutch fluid level in the master cylinder, it might be old and is breaking down when it gets hot.
The last thing is that the clutch plate is sticking. Some times they can get like a vacuum between the clutch and the fly wheel. This could be expensive to remove the gear box so try this as a last resort.
I think there is a ARB in
Townsville give them a go they might be able to help.
Wayne
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Reply By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:32
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:32
Thanks Everyone foe the suggestions. It give me heaps of ideas to chase up.
Regards
Johnno
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:48
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 08:48
Johnno
This info might or might not be of help, I had a problem a bit like that once with my Troopy, just like you explained, here's what I did,.....
Before you start the engine put it into a gear, say 2nd or 3rd, don't depress the clutch , just turn the starter , not enough to start it , just a couple of jabs, then put it back into nuetral , start it and see how that goes, reason is the clutch gets stuck to the plate, Ive only had it happen once.
Doug
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 09:28
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 09:28
I'd expect that your gearbox oil is the original factory oil, so unlikely to be the cause.
The clutch plate sticking problem sounds very plausible. If it were the cause, I'd give the clutch a major workout - drive off in 4th gear a few times so that you smell that nice smell of clutch plate burning and see whether it makes a difference.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 13:12
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 13:12
Johnno
...this is what i suggest....it sounds like it could be the spigot bearing in the back of the crank...if it doesnt allow free movement of the input shaft in the box, the box will be turning with the motor and the synchro will have to stop the gears to engage..then the second thing it could be is a worn clutch or oil from gearbox on face of clutch, or a badly adjusted clutch. Not impossible on a 30000km clutch if it has seen hard use...or a rested foot on the clutch pedal .... or no servicing since new....are you the original owner, or was it a preloved jobby???
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Reply By: johnno1960 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 16:30
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 16:30
Thanks everyone,
I spoke to a mate of
mine that was a service manager for Nissan and he reckons it is the clutch, probably something to do with the condensate from the A/C draining into the bell house. They had a similar problem years ago with skylines. My Pajero was recalled to rectify the problem ,which I hope was done when I took it in.
I will be talking to the Mitsubishi service manager tomorrow, I will let you all know how I go.
regards
Johnno
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:12
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:12
Hi Johnno
I recently had the air conditionong pipe attended to by the local MMa dealer(after I received a letter from MMA head office) I posted this potential problem on the
forum & the general opinion was that it wouldn't cause a problem with condensation
I only had the pajero for 3 months(NP diesel) & thought the clutch was on the way out as I had trouble reversing up my drive with the camper onThe local dealer said there was no problem however I took it to my local mechanic(an ex mitsi mechanic) who said the clutch was RS!!.
I have now replaced the clutch, pressure plate & bearing & the mechanic said that the clutch plate looked like it had been for a swim. Obviously the condensation is a problem
The paj has 60k on it. It is not covered by new or used car warranty & now I have to do battle with MM as I feel that the clutch failure was due to the condensation problem.
Good luck with your dealer. Please let me know how you get on.
Regards.
Vince
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:12
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:12
It sounds like the clutch sticking to me, with the simple fact that it goes in when you switch it off!
Cheers Pesty
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Reply By: johnno1960 - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 07:49
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 07:49
Hi everyone,
I rang my dealer on Monday and after receiving a not to enthusiastic response from the person I spoke to I took it in to them to look at.
Of course the car was now running great, no problems with gear box or clutch etc.
They told me time and time again that if they could not find anything that they considered a warranty matter I would have to pay for it. I assured them I knew what the problem was and told them so, I also took in some prints of the a similar discussion of the Parjeo club web site and a copy of the recall notice.
Just before I took the car back I received a phone call from Mitsubishi Australia in response to an email I sent them regarding the problem. The lady was very helpful, she hinted they were aware of the problem but it would have to return to the dealer to be looked at, which is understandable.
Anyway.
I dropped the car in Tuesday morning, late Thursday afternoon I received a call to say the their was a problem caused by the condensate water and they would fix it under warranty. They would order the parts in and with a bit of luck I should have it back by the end of next week. I expressed my surprise about them not having the parts but I am still happy that they will fix it for free.
I will let you know when I get the car back. I am pretty happy to be told it was not me dreaming or a driver problem.
Thanks again for all the help.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 17:41
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 17:41
Still sounds like a driver problem to me :0)
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