You won't believe what just happened to me...
Submitted: Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 20:03
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Grungle
This happened just 40 miutes ago...
My wife picked up the car from the smash repairers today after getting some minor damaged repaired after an incident with a tree. One of the repairs was to replace the bullbar which was the most damaged part.
OK - so when I get
home this evening, the car is in the driveway - everything looks good. Feeling happy that we finally got it back I decided to start packing some things in ready for our trip to
Cape York in a weeks time. Before that though I wanted to wind in about a foot and a half of winch rope that was loose out the front - obviously due to to the repairers freespooling some out to swap the winch and fairleed over to the new bar.
Anyway I connected the controller and hit "in" and that is when it started.... Firstly there was SPARKING behind the winch and then a GLOW under the control box. I instantly pulled the controller from the box but the relays did not de-energise. Next there was MOLTEN METAL coming from under the control box where some cable vapourised (I have wired with harnessflex encased 35 mm² cable). This was followed by SMOKE from under the bonnet.
I quickly popped the bonnet and ran to the garage for a shifter before seeing a FIRE under the middle of the car. Quickly turned and grabbed the hose which was close and hosed the fire. Looking under I saw that the speedo cable (which is plastic coated flexible steel conduit about 1/2" thick) GLOWING RED HOT. Gave the hose to my wife (who had quickly came down stairs by that time to see what I was SHRIEKING about) while I headed back to the garage and grabbed a shifter so I could diconnect the batteries.
At this stage I noticed SMOKE inside the car but I was focused on getting the battery terminals off both batteries. The speedo cable then stopped glowing and it looked like I had killed the source. I opened the car doors where smoke just spilled out. You could see a S--TLOAD of smoke bilowing out from the dash from one end to the other however I was ready with the hose just in case it flared. Luckily everything settled down after diconnecting the power source.
I was so LIVID that this happened but glad that it was now and not up at the Cape. It has put the trip on hold indefinately until we find out where to go from here. My wife is a blubbering mess and both kids are bawling their eyes out because they are no longer going to the Cape however I have managed to calm everyone down by trying to get them to look at the lighter side of it (I am still CRANKY though).
Rang insurance and notified them of this DISASTER but won't have an assessor out until Monday.
Fault could lie with either the smash repairers or the 4wd store that fitted the bullbar but it is clear that it wasn't wired up correctly and was sourcing an earth from everywhere but the negative cable.
One thing I realised is that I will fit a battery kill switch (when repairs are done) in an easily accesable location that will permit me to disconnect the batteries in case of emergences. Other than that you can't do much about other peoples incompetancies.
Regards
David (with a scorched Grungle)
Reply By: Pezza (Bris) - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 21:02
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 21:02
SHEEEEIIT Fella!!!
Talk about quick thinking, level headed and balls to be stuffing around disconecting a battery whilst your car is on fire, then again, having had the pleasure of having met you it doesn't surprise me.
Damn, I'm glad you saved it, I know how much work you put into it, even if they do write it off you may still be able to buy it back, and worse case scenario transfer everything into another non-BBQ'd one :-))
Bugger about missing the trip up nth though.
Hope everything works out for the best in the end for you mate, keep us updated.
Cheers
Pezza
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Reply By: Grungle - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:09
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:09
A big thanks to all of you who have replied. It means a lot and I do apologise if I don't get back to you all.
Aside to the problem:
I have pulled the torch out and tried to find out why this happened. Discovered that the connection from the negative terminal of the battery to the earth point of the winch was resistive due to not being done up properly at the winch. Found the bolt that connected the terminal to the winch casing was half done up and the cable was free to move (hence why it was the first to spark). This meant that the earth return for the winch went along the chassis rail, through the handbrake cable (which is the flexible steel conduit I mislabled as the speedo cable) to the transfer case then back along the gearbox, motor and then negative terminal of the battery via the body / motor / battery earth cable.
There was a small 6mm² cable that earthed the winch control box to the body which vapourised due to the current involved. It looks like this was the inital return path but after vapourinsing, the earth returns next path was via the chassis rail and gearbox / motor.
I had the vehicle running at the time but I can't understand why the earth return didn't go along the chassis rail and through the earth cable that connects the battery neg to the body. Is the body and chassis rail earthed together? If not then this would explain why it went through the motor and gearbox.
As the handbrake cable is the thinnest connection between the chassis rail and motor, this would explain why it glowed like it did. I would say that there would have been between 100 and 200 amps across it.
Hope to see more in the morning. I have an auto elecy friend coming around first thing to help me do some checks and see exactly what has been fried (physically and electronically). I am dreading the dash and pray to god that it was a single wire that decided to vapourise (touch wood) and it easy to find.
Will let you all know how it turns out.
Again thanks.
Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:41
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:41
Dave.. thats s h i t luck dude.
take dozens of photos of everything, take video of all the damage... So you sound like it was the 4b stores fault?? Tell them you wanna take their truck for your trip since they fujkt yours...
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:57
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:57
Well David,
All I can say is thankfully you and the family are safe and better at
home than on the OTL. I agree with most in saying get an independant Auto Elec to have a look at it, then present whoever he advises is at fault withy his report, a statement by you and pictures. As Steve said above its not your insurance companies problem, don't (excuse the pun) burn your bridges with them. Better if they come to the party and get it fixed then they go after who ever is resposible for the damage.
Hope it all works out for you.
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Follow Up By: Grungle - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 23:13
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 23:13
Hey Truckster,
Wouldn't want their truck mate - can you imagine what would happen to it if you actually used one of the accessories? (it a 100 series as
well). Would still trust my scortched baby up the Cape over theirs.
Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Grungle - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 23:22
Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 23:22
Cheers Blaze.
This
forum is my avenue at the moment to vent and air my feelings without naming names. I have been careful not to state what companies I am S H I T Y with or where I am from as I have seen too many posts where people shoot first and ask questions later.
However I needed to tell my story to like minded enthusiasts to make me feel better and also listen to the advice of others.
Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 00:26
Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 00:26
Totally understand David, just read some replys saying to get up them, and just wanted to mention at this point whatever insurance company you have they may be one of your best allies. I can defintely understand the need to vent your story.
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