Tyres for Toyota Grande
Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 16:47
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gazand CJ
We recently had the opportunity to purchase a 2003 Prado Grande at a price too good to refuse, even in view of some of the model's drawbacks. In the next couple of months I am going to have to purchase new tyres and wanted to put something more aggressive than the OEM Dunlops on.
As the Grande has the trip computer, GPS system etc, I've decided to remain with the 265/65/17 configuration which severely limits the choice of tyres (one of those drawbacks). The 3 choices appear to be:
Cooper ATR
Dunlop Grandtrek AT2
Bridgestone Dueller AT D694
Has anyone had experience with these tyres such that they can compare them? If not, does anyone have an educated view on the relative performance of each?
I found a good article on the 4WD monthly website (
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/tips_tyres.php) which compares among others the Grandtrek and the Dueller, but the Cooper tyre included in the survey was not the ATR. In the end, out of 10 the Bridgestone rated a 7.8 compared to 7.4 for the
Dunlop, which isn't much, It mainly came down to noise performance (
dunlop better) and performance in the mud (bridgestone better). My intuition tells me that its better to have slightly noisier tyres rather than being stuck at the bottom of a slippery track waiting for better weather.
Cheers
Gary
Reply By: CraigB - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:03
Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:03
Hi Gary,
I had the Cooper Discover's A/T on my last 4by being an NM Pagero. I was very happy with them. Got good kms per tyre. I rotated them evey 5,000km (5 wheel rotation) and got 60,000km out of them which is really good for me as most of my suburban driving is very short trips (5kms or less) around twisty streets. I did approx 80/20 blackstuff/off road. Not noisy and pretty comfortable. Handled
well in all situations for my type of driving. Most other tyres I've had generally want retire around 40,000kms. Hope this helps!
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Reply By: Anthony - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:32
Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:32
Gary,
One other option worth considering to keep the same overall diameter tyre as the std tyres is it fit 245/70-17 tyres, like the ST or STT Coopers. The STT in this size is 780mm dia.
The GX model Prado came std with 225 width tyres, with the GXL onwards with the 265 width. If your looking for a wider choice of off road tyres, maybe a 245 width is worth the considering.
Cheers Anthony
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:53
Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:53
You may be able to use a 245/70-17, Pirelli has one that size which is the same diameter but a narrower overall width, and there will be other brands probably as
well.
Use this link Site Link to calculate the differences in sizes to
check your rolling diameter, and don't forget the load/speed rating must be the same or better than the standard ones. This would eliminate a tyre which has the same diameter.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:55
Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:55
Check here for a Pirelli in the exact size
Site Link
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 19:03
Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 19:03
Hi Gary,
You state that you want to stay with the same tyres because of the trip computer. Have you considered at Speedo Corrector module, which would allow you to go to a better tyre profile?
Jaycar put out such a kit for about $50; Cat No. KC5435.
Jaycar
cheers,
Gerry
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Reply By: Froilan - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 22:55
Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 22:55
Hi Gary,
I too have the Prado Grande (2005) and recently swapped the OEM Dunlops for Cooper ATR LT265/70/R17. It is one size up but I wanted an LT tyre as I do a bit of mountain trail travel. I used LT tyres before and was very happy with the strength. Had the speedo corrected for a couple of hundred dollars as not to upset the constabulary.
I did a trip to Fraser Island this past
Easter and the tyres performed flawlessly even in the more rutted tracks. I have taken the truck to some fairly challenging mountain tracks at
Wollemi National Park and no problem. Dry and wet tracks don't seem to bother it too much. Obviously, one must drive to the conditions.
I have done 8K kilometers to date and the Coopers still looks new. Need to rotate them in another 2K kilometers.
Compared to Grandtrek AT2, it is chalk and cheese. Would not recommend the
Dunlop as it is highly biased for bitumen and not very good off-road. Can't say much about the Dueller as I have never used a set. I have used Yokohama Geolandar ATII before (LT) on my previous Pajero NM and was very impressed.
As for the noise, you cannot tell the difference from inside the Prado.
Mine is the diesel, so the engine is what I can hear, not the tyres.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Froilan
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Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 23:53
Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 23:53
We have the Cooper ATR on the GXL 2004 Prado.
Mine are the LT265/70R17 as per the reply above. Had no problems with them and would recommend them as a great all rounder that are brilliant on bitumen while being good (without being great) offroad. I have a set of Goodyear Wrangler MTR in the same size for offroad and they are fantastic off road and OK on bitumen.
The Cooper in the P265/65R17 is a Passenger tyre where the LT265/70R17 is a Light Truck construction that I think has more plys and slightly thicker sidewalls.
I have no experience with your other choices but can say I have had a good run with the ATR's.
If you are going to do a lot of muddy work go for the Goodyear MTR. Noisy on the road but good grip when it counts!
Cheers
Muddy
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Reply By: gazand CJ - Thursday, Jun 07, 2007 at 10:14
Thursday, Jun 07, 2007 at 10:14
thanks everyone. All this is great information.
Cheers
Gary
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Thursday, Jun 07, 2007 at 11:20
Thursday, Jun 07, 2007 at 11:20
I just got D694s as I wanted to stick with the std size. So far (not much) I've found them much better... no squeelling!!!! yeah!!! Do make more noise than the AT20s and since
mine's a petrol, I can hear them if the radio is on or the window open.
From my investigations, the Yokohama's A/T II's are being superseded by A/T-S's but I couldn't actually get any yet. I would have liked the A/T II's as they look slightly more agressive but was advised against it as, soon, you won't be able to get a replacement if you shred one.
For the amount of Prados running around I find it amazing the manufacturers haven't made at least one of their popular LT consruction models in this size, yet on the size charts they've got weirdo sizes listed that probably no-one ever buys.
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Reply By: lc_120man - Thursday, Jun 07, 2007 at 13:56
Thursday, Jun 07, 2007 at 13:56
Depends what is the car is going to be used for...
All of the above are passender tyres (not LT).
I have d694's as my road tyres and very happy with them so far...
www.pradopoint.com
www.lcool.com
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