UHF AERIAL HELP REQUIRED
Submitted: Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 16:44
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REDDOG
After having trouble with uhf last weekend, I tested aerial today. The multimeter is Showing a circuit between outer and inner cable of my coax cable. I cut the ends off (Aerial end and radio end) and retrimmed them and still showing circuit between. Is this correct or do I have a problem somewhere along the cable. Hoping someone can help before the dash gets pulled apart tomorrow.
Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 16:54
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 16:54
I would go along with the trimming as you have suggested and try that , throw the bloody multimeter in the shed and do a test on air , if others can hear you and your getting out for a good distance then what more do you want,
Doug
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 18:18
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 18:18
I woulnt advise such a thing - if the aerial IS failing and the SWR is incorrect and he tries to transmit he will blow the transmit finals
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:12
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:12
KiwiAngler
Geez I didn't know you were a radio expert, I can assure you it won't do any harm with a couple of tests , over a prolonged period yes, I have helped people out in the past with problems and when I find what they have done and how long it has been like it and the radio is OK then the radio should should have exploded many times over going by your beliefs, Trial and error mate , works for me , always has, and always will.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross H (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:32
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:32
Hi Doug
What Kiwi is saying happened to me. Replaced aux batt and crushed and cut cable
blew the transmit side of a brand new gme 3200 in less than a minute and took it to gme and they confimed this. Had radio fixed and am now very careful with coex cable.
regards
ross
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:40
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:40
Doug
Not sure where I professed to be a 'radio expert' - not looking for your assurances - just saying that ,from my experience, I wouldnt do what you suggested nor would I suggest it to others.
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Reply By: jeffwa - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 16:55
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 16:55
It depends on the type of antenna, if it's a dipole that is normal, if not then there is a problem. Dipoles GENERALLY are the thicker alliminium or fiberglass types, coloured either black or white.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 16:56
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 16:56
Also have a browse through this website
Site Link
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 17:04
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 17:04
For a standard CB UHF vertical antenna there should NOT be a connection between the centre core and the sheaf of the antenna cable.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: REDDOG - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:13
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:13
thanks mike that was what i was looking for. when testing the cable i had both ends cut off and made sure there was no inner and outer wire touching to produce a short circuit
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Reply By: Tony MD - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 17:39
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 17:39
As suggested in Doug's site link & as per Mike - the resistance reading of the antenna depends upon the type of antenna. A ground dependent type will be open circuit or infinite ohms where as a ground independent will be closed circuit or zero ohms. With the coaxial cable isolated from both the radio and the antenna, an open circuit should be detected..
What was the UHF problem that you were having anyway?
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Follow Up By: REDDOG - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:09
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:09
Sorry, should have been clearer, was out with a couple of other vehicles who only had hand helds. I could hear them but was crackly even when in sight about 1km behind them. I eventually turned my unit off and tried my hand held unit and presto could hear them clearly. should have said also it is a uniden head unit with a gme aerial (the type with metal base about 300mm long mounted on spring with a fibreglass tip.) have had unit in this vehicle for about 12 months and in previous vehicle for about2 years with no problems.
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Follow Up By: Tony MD - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 21:52
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 21:52
Sounds like a ground independent type with an elevated feed. Thus you can expect a closed circuit reading on your multimeter.
For what it is worth, the CB transmission is AC (alternating current) at 477 million cycles per second (477 mHz). The multimeter is testing at DC (0 Hz). What appears to be a closed circuit at DC can be a reactive (AC terminology for restive) circuit.
Antenna could still be damaged internally.
Test the coax without the radio or antenna connected first. Check for continuity of braid & inner wire plus resistance between them. Continuity readings should be zero ohms & resistance between should be open circuit.
If that tests out OK, try knocking up a simple 1/4 wave ground plane antenna to try it out. Connect the inner conductor of the coax to a vertical bit of wire about 150mm long and the braid to 3 or 4 similar length horizontal radials.
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Reply By: obee - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 18:55
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 18:55
If the radio is plugged in then you be in trouble if it were not a closed circuit. Other wise the current generated by radio signal would not get thru the windings that allow the signal to be amplified.
Owen
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Reply By: rowdy31 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:50
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:50
g'day reddog.
what sort of trouble were you having with your radio.
i have found that most problems i have are cable related.all?(most) basic aerials you get from the
shop are already tuned.
usually a loose aerial connection at the back of the radio or moisture getting into the cable are enough to drive me crazy and want to start pulling things apart.
maybe new cable, connectors and new solder then give a radio check and see how you go
cheers
rowdy
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Follow Up By: PatNav - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 21:34
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 21:34
Hi reddog
1st what brand of radio and brand and type of antenna you have,try gutting the ends off at each end since you have the multimetre out test there is no continueity between the inner and out that will say that they are not touching any where between each end if thats all good then its the connectors you have got ,or in the radio end where the connector plug goes (pl4702 plug) something (pl) plug goes or last is the antenna.
just check these areas and hope you find the hickup
Cheers pat
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Reply By: Stu050 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 11:27
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 11:27
reddog,
Your co-ax is stuffed if you have a circuit between the inner and outer.
Replace it and all will be good
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