dutch settlement in WA
Submitted: Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 22:13
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i was just watchin my "bush tucker man" dvd (8 tales of survival) and in particular the episode called "the dutch settlement". Les investigates the possibility of
the settlement being up somewhere near the Tanimi. his investigations are inconclusive due to lack of evidence by no being able to find the journals, or even who "lieutenant nixon/nickson" was.
but there's enough evidence for me to believe it quite plausible. like aboriginies using masonic signs to communicate with john macdouall stuart, and using the word "ya" to say yes. and a dutch paper article of a ship coming accross a dutch settlement in australia
being that the dutch came accross the north west of aus way back before
cook, is it likely.
so what i'm wondering is, does anybody know anything more about the posssibility of a dutch settlement in WA
Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 22:31
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 22:31
Its a bit like the modern day conspiracy theories
There is also a story of Dutch Settlers to Central Australia long before 'white' settlement of the area.
Yes. It is possible that there were incursions into Australia by foreign visitors. It is said that the Egyptians mapped the northern coast of Australia more than 3000 years ago and I have seen some possible evidence of that in rock paintings in Northern Arnhemland.
Without solid physical research and evidence though, these stories remain myths! However, they are very romantic theories.
Survivors of numerous Dutch wrecks along the coast of WA are supposed to have mingled with aboriginal clans. Some of them brought to the coastal inhabitants of WA a genetic disease called Porphyria, which is a discolouration of the skin, not unlike Albinoism. Do a Google to find out more.
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 22:43
Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 22:43
If you open Google Earth and go to 18deg27min S and 129deg30min E, which is SSE of
Lake Argyle, you will see the expanse of
water that Les Hiddens filmed on his program.
It looks huge for that sort of country.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 07:54
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 07:54
I do not recall seeing that particular program
This expanse of
water lies near the Birrindudu Station
Homestead and by all accounts, after studying what mapping and Google Earth I have here, it is a swamp.
I wonder if it isn't just a 'wetseason' phenomena.
It is a huge expanse of
water though.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 00:12
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 00:12
Loved the Bush Tucker Man series. Always wondered why Les never shot a kangaroo to eat or pinches some cockatoo eggs or fried a goanna. Always seemed be chewing on berries!
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:27
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:27
My guess - Probably because it’s illegal,
well at least for most of us (plus too easy/obvious).
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Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 15:59
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 15:59
But the whole point of the series was how to live off the bush, based on his training in the north for the army. If an invasion force were to take us on, our soldiers were to be able to survive in the bush better than them. It was also based on the indigenous foods.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 16:19
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 16:19
Hello - the show wasn’t meant to be a series of training videos for the Army. I am sure during his proper Army courses with Army personnel he demonstrated how and what to catch in the bush with respect to native fauna. The TV series was obviously for a more general audience and while he pointed out bushtucker/living off the land techniques it was also about how Aboriginal Australians survived, what he learnt off them, some stuff about European
Explorers and generally driving around in the bush and enjoying it.
As I said my guess is they didn’t do it because Les, under the circumstance of filming a series of commercial documentaries, would not be permitted to kill native fauna for no real reason with out permission from the powers that be (all Australian fauna is protected, unless deemed otherwise). Shooting a kangaroo and eating it (for example) doesn't make that interesting viewing anyway - it’s a little too basic.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:57
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:57
Remember it was not so long ago, indeed I remember
well our indigenous people speaking viss a cherman accent around
Hermannsburg. I go with the idea myself, seems totally plausible, as there are
well-documented accounts of Dutch, Portuguese implements and items being found along the coast in WA. I seem to recall someone not so long ago finding a “mummified” leather bag full of guilders from 1640 or some thing near
Lake Amadeus…
Many years ago, when I was
young and charming I was asked for some advice concerning the timber used in an Egyptian Coffin that was being “conserved” at CCAE. I sent a sample of the timber off to have it identified at the CSIRO and guess what, it was Western Red Cedar. So how did several large planks of this stuff end up in Egypt???
Then of course we will never truly understand, just one of the many imponderables of life, but you have to ask why leave the coast and head into totally foreign arid land. Maybe climate change, yes that’s it, when the Dutch were there it was a moist tropical paradise….
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 22:32
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 22:32
This link may interest you, Tanami Settlement
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:13
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:13
Fascinating article Geoff. Thanks.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:17
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:17
That it is, thought you might enjoy it.
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Reply By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 10:30
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 10:30
I too loved the Bush Tuckerman series,(i was a
young fella when they screened:) it may
well be one of the reasons i love to go to the remote parts of Australia today.
Les has also written some great book for those interested.
Re the Dutch settlement, if they mixed with the local people that evidence would still be in the DNA of their descendants today. Though to test for that would be to open a Pandora's box of issues :)
Ceers Lyndon
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:16
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:16
Would that mean the bloody Dutch could claim land rights?
I can see it now, "the van der Mabo decision"
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