Way OT but I know I'll get an answer, WWI regailia
Submitted: Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 13:16
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Mr Fawlty
I have just been given a small box of my Maternal Grandfather's WWI medals and regalia. He was a driver in France, train Driver in fact as research shows but included in the box along with medals and badges are 2 cloth badges. They are about 50 mm OD made from red, white & blue thin felt like material with 3 pieces of the same material about 70 mm long and 10mm wide swallow tail cut protruding. Obviously they are French (Tricouleur) and have thread on them indicating they were sewn to his uniform, but what do they signify?
His service records are an interesting read, every train he drove is listed, every locomotive is "declared", every incident is recorded, including a run in with a French Fireman who hit him with a shovel after a dissagreement as the trainees ability to shovel coal seem to be lacking...
He went on to reach dizzying heights in the NSWGR and died Xmas Day at
Mudgee in 1962
I'm going to remount his medals, Yes it's easy to do yourself, you do not need to pay $250 to have it done, all the materials are available at
Heritage Medals.
I'll bet someone knows what these are, Yes I could front up at the War
Memorial and discuss this with a PFT but I some how think this approach will be simpler.
Reply By: Kev M (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 15:45
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 15:45
Without actually seeing the cloth badges,
Could it be on of the ones from this site
Site Link
I am also trying to hunt down both my grandfathers medals ATM as
well. It is a very frustrating hunt as my parents cant answer some of my questions that I need to properly trace the medals.
Good luck
Kev
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 16:50
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 16:50
Actually Kev it may not be that hard. All you need is his name then go to the AWM site and follow the clues to the "Research a person" bizzo. Being your Grandfather all you need is the relevant birth certificates and/or an affidavit to claim.
I found my Grandfathers records on the Australian Archives site. My son has tracked down my mother inlaws great Uncle and has applied (using mother in law) to get his medals that were never issued as he died of wounds in France.
The only part that may be difficult is proving your lineage but my son tells me the guy he spoke to in the "Medals & Awards" section in
Canberra seemed to be very positive in offering assistance and was the one who suggested that he should draw up an affidavit and get Mother in Law to
sign.
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 17:03
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 17:03
Problem 1 - Maternal Grandfather was in the Merchant Navy, supporting mother England, he migrated about 50 years ago.
Problem 2- Paternal Grandfather was in the English Army and served in Africa.
It is very difficult finding all their paperwork etc to work out what they are entitled too.
Kev
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Follow Up By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 07:22
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 07:22
Kev, my godfather was in the Merchant Navy, not sure what he did as his records are still classifed info, and from the few conversations I had about what he did before he died, it sounded as if he had something to do with counter espionage...you should be able to go to the british office and find info. Al's grandfather served in British Army in Belgium, we have a couple of his medal here, I got them copied some time ago from a firm in
Melbourne who does that kind of work, and they knew what they were.
I"ll try and find the info for you and send you a link.
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Follow Up By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:10
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:10
Kev, have you seen this book.
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and also this
Site Link
the UK national archives does have a list of medals that your grandfathers were/are entitled to..
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 09:03
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 09:03
Lyn,
Thanks for the links, I hadn't seen the book but have been slowly going through the UK national archives along with his (grandfathers) log books, He never spoke of the war to me so I am now trying to piece together what he was entitled to. He never recieved any medals etc so I now want to get them before my Grandmother passes on ( I should have a bit of time to do it, hopefully).
Thanks again
Kev
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Reply By: Footloose - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 15:59
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 15:59
Have you tried the Aust Gov site that explains what various medals etc were for ?
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 16:39
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 16:39
Yep, no joy there but I did discover that I am entitled to yet another medal, the Australian Defence Medal.
It's getting embarrasing now, I have 5 and will have to start another row.... I'm waiting for the Government to issue a whingers & whiners medal and a Medal for paying record fuel prices while on a pension.... I'm also a member of the 1st Australian Hydrotherapy Group, Tuggeranong Detachment and I recon in an effort to buy a few more votes we will have a medal struck by our trustworthy political gurus seeking re-election.
Then you get all the invitations in early April where you are expected to turn up resplendant and be poked and proded by anklebiters while the devoted teacher describes you as a hero and you have to answer questions about "How it feels to be a Veteran" and "why does that medal look like it was made in China" and eat scones with Jam & cream which gets spilt all over your medals and you have to then replace the ribbons....
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 17:42
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 17:42
The pollies could strike a "Footloose" medal, awarded to anyone who'd had to put up with his posts. That should be worth a vote or two.
Or perhaps award an SPM to a few (Stupid Post Medal).
The WTP medal (where's this place medal)
Or perhaps the POQ medal (Bragging about where they're going medal)
The possibilities are enormous
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 21:59
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 21:59
I still maintain anyone who's raised teenage daughters should be immediately and perpetually on the Queen's Birthday Honours list!!
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Greydemon (WA) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 13:04
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 13:04
You would have lost a bit more hair this weekend Geoff !
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 14:50
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 14:50
Hi Greydemon,
I didn't actually lose much hair at all. I thought it was an abslutely astounding defensive effort to have so little possesion and just keep repelling phase after phase of attack.
Now all the ARU needs to do is realise John Eales retired and get someone to win some ball...
Geoff
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Reply By: Member - R Send - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 18:25
Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 18:25
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
This is a good site to start with - they have lots of information and guidance, part of which deals with the military. It should provide you with a good starting point.
Good luck
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