Raising Camper Suspension?
Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 18:44
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Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC)
Evening all,
I've tried a few searches to no avail, hence my question:
A friend just purchased/imported a Coleman Camper (similar to Jayco type camper) but it is a bit too low for what he wants to do with it. It is fitted with a large diameter axle - which appears to be way over-engineered - it is about 100mm diameter - which sits 'in' the leaf springs.
My question is, can this be converted to a spring-over with the axle under
the springs for an instant 100mm height increase? The only thing I can see is that the wires to the electric brakes may need extending.
Can anyone 'predict' problems with this conversion? He doesn't want to put extra leaves in due to a harsher ride.
Thanks in advance.
Reply By: Hairy - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 18:54
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 18:54
Gday,
Yes you can put your axle under
the springs to raise it. The only problem will be your anex wont touch the ground properly if it is a full one.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 19:06
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 19:06
Thanks Hairy,
He hasn't got annex walls yet - good point to get it raised BEFORE ordering walls.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 19:56
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 19:56
I did exactly that to my box trailer years ago.
Some people at the time told me it was dangerous and I would have problems. They were wrong. It has worked fine and the trailer, in the tradition of box trailers, has been grossly overloaded many times since.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:13
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:13
Thanks Duncs,
Looks like it's the go!
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Reply By: Member - Reiner G (QLD) 4124 - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:26
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:26
100mm axle sounds a bit strange........even for a import. If it is a 100mm pipe I would change that to a 50mm axle which could be a offset axle with a 4inch rise that would raise the chassis and you can keep the axle on top of
the springs.
It is not as expensive as it sounds. Depending on how handy you are.
Reiner
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Follow Up By: obee - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:40
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:40
might be hollow
Owen
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:04
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:04
Reiner,
I haven't had a good look at it but I would assume it is hollow - it would weight a tonne if it was solid. Mates going for a low cost option so I think the SOA will be the go.
He has access to a pretty smick workshop - his Father in law has an engineering type workshop setup across the road - quite handy.
Thanks for your reply.
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Reply By: Scrubcat - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:52
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 20:52
G`day Tim,
Probably 2000 klm or more ago I changed the axle on my Windsor caravan from over
the springs to under and gained an extra 100mm.
Never had a problem with it.
cheers
Lindsay
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:04
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:04
Thanks Lindsay - that's what he'll want to hear.
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:54
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:54
Tim not only do you gain the 100mm of the axle you also gain the thickness of
the springs as
well which may be another 50 to 80mm. The centre bolt in the spring pack will need to be inverted as
well as the axle & I think from memory I had to modify the U bolt mounting plates slightly as
well on
mine for some reason. It jacks them up along way otherwise the trailer handles fine. For slightly less lift longer shackles or welding a packer on the front spring mount may be another option.
Cheers Craig............
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Reply By: Member - Roger B (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 23:08
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 23:08
We've got an old (1978) Jayco Dove camper with 7 leaf springs, which I had put over the axle in 2002. Since then it seems to ride better behind the veh.and certainly feels better to tow. Go for it.
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Reply By: Member - Pedro the One (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 23:35
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 23:35
Me, too ............ I done it as
well !!
Gave me extra clearance and allowed the fitment of the larger Troopy rims and tyres [ after changing the hubs, of course!] which was the primary intent.
A point to note iffen it is applicable ....... iffen you [he] is fitting bigger
wheels as
well, on
mine the
wheels projected laterally approx. 50mm beyond the mudguards, illegal as
well as unsightly and dangerous { flipping up stones, etc...}.
An oversight on my part ........... caused a bit of mental anguish at the time !!
Solved it by fitting rubber extensions [from eBay} to the guards.
Tows
well and have had no problems at all ......................
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 07:55
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 07:55
May need to flip the axle end for end.
Some axles are set up with slight toe in for better towing.
So if you flip the axles to the underside of
the springs, you get toe out.
Turn the axle end for end and you get toe in again.
Anyway, simply check for toe in before you start :o)
Of course, if you just leave the axle as it is , and place
the springs over it, not an issue. depends if there is a locating lug on the axle.
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Reply By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 10:22
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 10:22
Thanks all,
Will give him a hand Friday with the SOA conversion.
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Reply By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 13:11
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 13:11
Ok coreect me if Im wrong but a 100 mm axle even if hollow has a centre line that is at 50mm above the spring pack. If you invert that you will now have a centre line 50mm below the spring pack.
50mm above plus 50mm below plus the thickness of the spring pack 50mm-ish....
Gives a total lift of around 150mm or about 6 inches??
Is that the height lift you were looking for?
As for the conversion as long as you can extend the brake lines for hydraulic or extend the cables if mechanical I dont see any problems.
There is no real torque reaction you have to worry about (a bit when you brake) nothing that could 'wrap' you leaf springs.
If you were only after a 25mm lift you could fit a 50mm square axle ontop or 75mm lift fit 50 mm axle SOA.
Anyway as the rest have said canvas doesnt seem to be a worry and apart from stabilzers legs maybe not reaching the ground....an easy conversion.
All the best
Matt.
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Reply By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 15:16
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 15:16
I went the spring over and a new 50mm sq axel, with nissan rims on the boat trailer in my rig pics. only problems I have had are mudguards cracking due to vibration (solved to a certain extent with straps to boat) and took out one of the light poles at the back on a tree a couple of weeks ago.
Its been to
kalumburu and other off road runs to rivers etc with no problem at all. This is with just the origional slipper springs, which I will replace one day....maybe.
Cheers Andrew
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