A possitive post for NISSAN

I had a problem with the EGR on my 3.0. phoned the dealer, booked it in a few days later, they fixed it, I drove it home, No hassles whatsoever.
They hadn't seen my car for 12 months and 40000kms.
I'm sure plenty of people have had hassles, I'm sure plenty more have had great service, I know I have.

Wayne -o!!!, If your 4.2 patrol played up as much as some 3.0Ls, your dealings with nissan would have been the same!!, This is what the Chit fight is about.

Cheers Axle.

Yes Wayne it is a recurring issue. I was using this forum back several years ago and it was happening then - common themes were "you get what you pay for" and "Can't afford a Toyota and go for the cheaper Nissan so what do you expect?" etc etc. I know a number of people who have had trouble but I didn't realise that Nissan's handling was like their vehicles - below standard. My only experience was when travelling in a friend's 4.2 Patrol, compared to mine it was very "truckish". Of course he paid much less for his than mine and is quite happy to put up with the poor comfort level. He has had no mechanical problems with it and regards it as a good "workhorse".

Wayne, you say you are angry that people post negatively about Nissan while in the same breath you call the 3.0TD engine a rogue and that they all should be scrapped. Is that itself not a negative post about Nissan?

Or do you think all Nissans's, apart from the 3.0TD, have no problems? While the 4.2TD is arguably the most reliable engine built, it too is not without its problems. Nor is any other make or model 4WD on the market today. One could go on about overheating, weak diffs, poor gearboxes, easily dislodged lights, no sump protection, weak IFS A frames etc... and every single make and model of vehicle has one or more of these type of faults.

The point is, ALL vehicles will have a fault at some stage. Either through bad design (common model fault) or a one off bad part (isolated fault). Its how the maker chooses to deal with the fault that then counts. And this is where some makes are much better than others.

Perhaps you are not aware that the series II 3.0TD WAS scrapped in Europe (recalled and replaced) while Nissan Australia chose the cheap option of replacing the dipstick. Virtually every 3.0TD engine problem today is still the series II while the later series III+ are proving to be very reliable. Yet you want all 3.0TD's scrapped? Me thinks we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater!

I think you have missed the point Wayne, the problem with Nissan is not that the early series II had a fault, it was the way Nissan dealt with it. And to this day they have not learnt from their mistake.

I have owned many different makes and models and believe I can say without bias that Nissan cannot hold their heads high in the way they treat their customers. So for you to come and have yet another 3.0TD bashing post while at the same time trying to be a proud Nissan owner, well perhaps you are wearing rose coloured glasses in thinking its the 3.0TD that's causing Nissan all the negative publicity - its their own fault for how they dealt with what was known to be a faulty engine design in the first model - much the same way they dealt with the faulty 5th gear issue and...

Anyway, not trying to start a 3.0TD vs 4.2TD defense, just that Nissan Australia is the REAL problem.

Cheers

Captain

Wayne
As an owner of a GU3-0 that went 'bang' the issue for me is not the vehicle, not the dealer, it is the Nissan Motor Company or at least their Head Office in Australia.
There have been many problems with these engines/gearboxes/clutches/fuel pumps/air flow sensors etc etc etc. There is a claim that all these problems are behind us with the newer models and thats great but along the way Nissan have lost the faith of many of their customers who unknowingly were their true test pilots. These customers were the ones who found out about the problems/shortcomings of these vehicles and Nissan Australia did not deal with this well or even consistantly. I personally was told by a Nissan customer relations officer "Well you bought the thing" as if I deserved a major engine malfunction. Perhaps I Did!!!!

OK so its only a vehicle and there are much more important things in life. I still have the thing, still enjoy it, probably trust it more now but it is the 3rd vehicle of choice in the parking lot outside. Since the major engine rebuild (2006) that I paid for fully, I have 2 new vehicles outside. How many do you think are Nissans? How many more Nissans do you think I will own? Sheer a sheep all its life but you can only skin it once. I will keep the GU and one day it'll be rusting away under a tree in the paddock. I hope that is a few years away but who knows. Good luck to you and all owners of vehicles. Good luck to Nissan motor company as they will need it more than all of us.

If people post negative posts about Nissan time and time again then something must be wrong. Toyota wouldn't keep selling an engine that had such bad reliability issues. Word gets around and it affects sales and reputations.

Having said that my 4.2 diesel GQ is tough as anything and wouldn't swap it for an 80 series. I like the stronger Nissan drivetrains. The 3.0 GQ misses out on the stronger g'box and diffs which further makes it an undesirable car. The only car I would trade mine in for is a GU 4.2 diesel with it's bigger interior.

Barnesy

The response I got from Nissan Australia due to a Warranty problem was tell someone who cares.......... Did not get the warranty prob repaired properly + they wanted me to pay $25 to properly fix it.
What a cheek...... As a consequence I have talked 8 people out of getting a Nissan so far..... 3 Navs 2 paths and 3 Pats. By the time am finished with my project there will be 1000 people not buying a Nissan Do to the experience I have encountered.

Wayne

We bought two second hand Nissans from a country dealer. The GQ hasn't been back for servicing but I did buy some spares from the dealer. The Xtrail was still under warranty and has been recalled three times for various small items that needed replacing.

Both vehicles have given good service so far and at all times we have had good service from the country dealer. We now have a local mechanic to look after the technical stuff of the vehicles.

I have not had any dealings with Nissan themselves. Many people will be unaware that Nissan Japan(it went broke) had to sell off a major stake in their company to Renault and this is where the new 3.0lt Nissan orginated from in Europe. Maybe Nissan could have handled warranty claims better but on the whole the vehicles that went 'bang' had done close to 100,000km, which is a fair whack of driving.

Now anything Nissan becomes an emotive issue and people have to blame someone when things go pear shaped and it is very easy to use the Internet to perpetrate these things without giving the full story and how approaches were made to solve problem. Most of the emotion comes along as people have borrowed money to pay for their vehicle and when things go wrong and they are drawing the short straw as they vehicle still has to be paid for and now it is costing more money and they must blame someone else. I can relate to that. Been there done that...lol

Cheers

Hi All
A message to Nissan,Fix your problem .
I love my old MQ.diesel for my beach truck & camping.
My 1992 Petrol Patrol, was a great Truck.
My Son has always had Nissan's .
Not now only Toyota's now one 2007 Landcruiser Safari will all bells & whistles, One 2006 Landcruiser,Plus 3 work trucks all Toyota's in his building Company.
Its all about service.

Its one of the big reasons I brought a hilux not the navara, 2.5 lt nissan motor.....pass

If as someone said 100,000 kkms is a fair whack of driving for a Nissan Patrol they should plate EF and EL Falcons in gold because when we bought the last of the EL series as a house car, local cabbies were regularly getting 600,000 - 800,000 kms out of them without a spanner being raised.

If Ford can easily get 600,000 plus out of a petrol engine while being getting flogged by casual drivers in a city, what should be a reasonable expectation for a one-owner fourby diesel that gets a lot of highway cycle and gets its oil changed twice as often as the service manual?

EV700

I think part of the problem is also a lack of solidarity amongst Nissan owners to stick together and make Nissan HQ aware that not addressing these issues are haveing a huge negative impact on potential buyers , when the problems started coming in on the early GU's they should have jumped on them and instilled a sense of confidence in the car and company, instead they chose to do the opposite, result, countless disgruntled owners who wont go back just for that reason lack of backup, especially when it's a known fault that was addressed in europe but not here, add to that Nissan owners {mainly 4.2} who openly tell you its your own fault for buying a 3Lt, {thats what I got right here} what chance have you got ???
remember united we stand divided we get shafted,
regards,
Dave

Well gotta say this is an interesting debate...and from my perspective 90% hogwash. I know a number of people who had a problem with their 3.0ltr Nissans and there was never a problem in having them fixed under warranty. One of them was even out of the extended warranty period when a piston melted....nigh on 200000km..and Nissan provided all the parts for the job and my mate had to pay the labour..I suspect even the super sun shine out of bum Toyota would have baulked at providing that sort of response. I reckon if you do a search of this forum you will find that many other people have also had Nissan come to the party when the vehicle has be out of warranty.

God forbid, if you lot carry on like this ove the 3.0 ltr what sort of debate would arise if I started talking about my 2.8tdi Nissan......which now has 220000km on the clock and apart from normal servicing has cost me nothing in repairs etc....also never had a single claim while under warranty either.....bloody Nissan fancy making such a crap vehicle.

stu k,let you in on a little secret,toyotas do fail,how do i know 27 years ago i started working on them ,an own a nissan.its all about personal prefference.

and a d40 is better than a hilux.

Yes this has been an ongoing, but interesting debate. Whether you’re referring to the dealer’s attitudes, the company or the car itself, it really isn’t good enough. Cars are one of those things that a lot of people will stick with if there happy and vehicle manufacturers should take that on board.
However, Nissan in their haste to introduce relatively new technology didn’t do their homework, well not in Australia anyway. I would argue, why they released a Euro3 compliant car here, when they didn’t need to. Unfortunately it’s because they had one and it was sold in every country they could infiltrate, so why not here.
The ZD30 is a very clean engine, much cleaner than it needs to be and many of its good points and bad are due to the high levels of boost and EGR that it runs. I don’t think it’s the engine as much as the engine management and emission control systems causing the problems. It runs ridiculously high boost at low rpm with huge amounts of EGR. Its crankcase ventilation system is a MAF destroyer with excess amounts of oil in the intake and along with a primitive ECU (Zexel from the RD28) it doesn’t map fuel and boost accurately enough. The new CRD version should overcome many of these issues, but owners of earlier models can do much to help reduce the risk of an engine failure. I think the reason that Nissan can’t do anything about the issue, or even admit to there being one, is that it’s the emission control system and its design that’s causing the problems. You don’t see these issues on CRD vehicles and even cars with similar emission systems like the Pajero don’t have problems.
If you have a 3.0Di patrol out of warranty you should fit a boost gauge and lower your boost. If you’re serious about getting decent service life out of your ZD30 start reading the patrol4x4 forum where owners are doing something about it, instead of waiting for Mr. Nissan to come up with some miracle fix. That won’t happen.
It will be interesting to see how some other vehicle manufacturers cope with using VNT turbos and increased EGR volumes in the future, because they too will have to comply with stricter emission outputs that will put greater stress on their motors.
Just my 2c

Bloody funny stuff, all this over a flamin car, you guys need to get a life and worry about the more important things in life.

Like getting out there and seeing the country, who cares what car you do it in, life too short ;-))

Baz.


Or buy a Land Rover :-))

You can search this story , but hasn't been typed in a while , So :

Glenn buys 2001 3.0 turbo manual as reliable touring vehicle for around OZ trip ( have had 4wd's before but nothing serious ), LOL.

Drive to Cairns , then drive to Broome via Darwin , off road, No worries

North of Perth , near the Pinnacles, drop back to 4th to overtake, halfway round change up to 5th and get 'grinding noise' but no forward movement. Know now I have 5th gear failure inherent in 2001 Patrols !

After discussion with 'associates' decide to go to Nissan cause they are 'Nation Wide' . After extensive talks with 'Service Manager' at Nth Scarborough Nissan ( Giant Nissan ) I am convinced that Nissan Australia will provide parts but not labour . I cough up approx $1200 .

After the repair , Glenn drives carefully ( very stupid ).

Later find changing into 2nd & 3rd & 4th at high revs makes a grinding sound.

Call ' Giant Nissan' and they tell me to go to a local dealer to get everything checked , when I complain about having to fork out the cash for the repair , they tell me they have done heaps , even with vehicles out of warranty at no cost to the owner, cause its a known fault.

I drive back to Perth and the dealership ends up refitting my own gearbox that has been rebuilt , in hind sight I could of ended up with an exchange gearbox with300k on it .

3 weeks later is the first off road experience I have , Unfortunately I break an engine mount , but officially its nothing to do with 2 gear box changes ! Spend a week in Esperance but that is very OK.

Drive to Sydney with various check engine lights coming on and engine surging , fault code in ECU says fuel pump requires replacement, when I replace the fuel filter all problems cease .

Get home , write 2 page letter to Nissan Aust , forget about it !.

Out of the blue get phone call from Nissan Australia , Lady apologises !! then tells me all labour and consumables are to be refunded , nearly $1000 !

Have also had a cracked head from no fault of my own ! , After flow testing couldnt be repaired , bare head from Nissan = $1600.

Been teased from workmates that I have nearly paid the price of a comparative 'cruiser' of the same year !

Welcome to ' Nissan Hell ' .

Glenn.