Your support is needed! Stick up for your rights as motor sport enthusiasts.

And then there is that "free speech thingy"

MUZBRY

Yeh ....... can't say this , Can't say that , might get sued, No freedom in that, ....unless your a do-gooder, Can't smack your kid, can't cull roo's, can't drive a 4x4 in a Nat Park, Can't have cattle on the high plains, the list is a mile long of things, others have to tell you how to live, what to wear, where to go and not to go, I even heard a truckie the other day saying the mines won't allow the old type load binders , they have to be the ratchet type, Damn it I used the old one for years and never ever got close to getting a whack with one, also now the driver is not allowed to get onto the trailer while on site , Geez I'm glad I gave it up in 2001, I can't take this BS about something I done my way safely all my life.

Doug

Doug
I am not sure what to say, life goes on, young people come and want to change things for the better, your binders have changed because some young person has come up with something better and safer. The old things are good, but we have to conform and enjoy what is going on around.Mr footpath has every rite to say what he thinks whether he is rite or wrong is not the question, its he has the rite to speak, the same as you and I.
I suppose that your old man reckons that 1949 chevs were the best thing, but the newer cars just kept rolling along and no amount of winging and moaning changed that. Damn they were good cars, but who wants a car with cast iron pistons that leave the top of the piston on the top of the cylinder when one goes a bit fast. No Doug, we must move on with the times and try to enjoy life.

Howdy Greydemon,

I felt that this would be a good place to post this message because of the way in which 4wdrivers have been attacked by the PCofA for years now.

I was just using motor sports to refer to anything that is a sport which also involves motors. To my mind, 4wdriving is a motor sport. A lot of us do it for competition, as well as for recreation, and even then, it is still a sport in as much as recreational fishing is also sport, albeit non-competitive.

So people who drag race, or race rally cars, or V8's in some way have a lot in common with 4wd enthusiasts in that they promote the responsible use of motor vehicles for sport (I agree that some passionate 4wdrivers may not support drag racing as a sport, in which case they should just ignore the post.).

Anyways. Maybe I should not read the paper first thing in the morning at work.

Ando

Interesting logic Ando, and in the case of my first and third groups you might well be right. However you wouldn't (surely) claim that my daughter is a motor sports fan because she uses a car to get to her dance classes, or count me as a train enthusiast because I catch the train to Subiaco to watch the Western Force.

Stick with reading the paper, it would be a pretty boring forum if we all agreed with each other.

Now..... I have an Engel which is the best car fridge in the world and I wouldn't give you tuppence for a Toyota....

LOL Greydemon, while you may be a bit confused and befuddled with your choices of Engel and Mitsubishi - none of us are perfect, except me of course - I do agree with you regarding motor sports. Ban them tomorrow, who cares, no great loss.

Hi Greydemon

When your daughter is driving back from dance lessons and a drunk drives in front of her, she hits the brake pedal and the power brakes, hit the disks and the ABS and the collapsable steering collum, safety zone, seat belt, head rest and about every other lifesaving device in her car and all of a sudden you are a motor sport fan because that is where these things come from.

Have fun

Craig

Craig,

Do you seriously believe that without motor sport we'd have none of those ? You're dreaming :))))

Hi Gramps

No, that's not what I said, my point is that the development of these things would take years longer and may have never got to the standard we have today, apart from a few European manufacturers safety was not a selling point and the only reason we have it at all is because of gov legislation. In America the big three had to be threatened just to put in padded dash boards. Safety has only been a selling point for the last ten years or so. You would not think of buying a car today without disk brakes but how long did they take to go fro sports car to family sedan.

Have fun

Craig

Craig,

Yeah, I know what you mean but I think the developmental aspect attributed to motor sport gets a bit overplayed.

Hi Gramps

I know it seems like that but when you think of all the different types off motor sport, from F1, rally, LeMans type sports cars, European touring cars, Dakar, Tuff Trucks and right down to Go Carts the manufacturers have to be getting more from it than just sales because they don't generate sales like that.
I can remember watching the Big Pet and Leo at Bathurst racing in tucks and a lap sash seat belt, they used to slide all over the place, great fun.

Have fun

Craig