05 hilux clutch shutter

Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 13:32
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For public info after 6000ks our new hilux developed at shutter in the clutch.
It took a number of visits and 20,000ks of frustrating driving to finally have toyota acknowledge the fault as it was, and completly replace the clutch and its
associated parts to remedy the issue!
Has anyone else had any concerns with their new model hilux, and in particular its clutch? regards Kevin
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Reply By: Hero - Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 14:34

Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 14:34
Yep, Mine had the shudder from brand new. Dissapointed that the dealers just hand it over to you with a massive shudder and expect you not to notice or complain. Had mine replaced after about 5000km, shudder returned after about 100km. Still to this day it annoys me. Would also like to know if anyone has been offered an actual solution.
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Follow Up By: Chris & Debbie - Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 16:03

Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 16:03
Shuddering can be cured by just slipping the clutch for a while, put the hand brake on select a high gear slip it till you smell it burning. Now i know people will knock this but it does work and without causeing damage.
Chris
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Follow Up By: Hero - Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 16:48

Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 16:48
Have tried this method, although unintentional. Whilst backing a loaded trailer up a hill the clutch slips very easy and produces a very stong smell, made no difference whatsoever to the initial problem. Even taking off at lights with excess clutch slip seems to have no effect either.
The fact the new clutch unit has the same issue, I would think its a pressure plate is not well matched to the size of the clutch, this is a design issue, and would presume only fixable with an aftermarket unit with increase pressure.
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Follow Up By: dazza0503 - Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 18:26

Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 18:26
Mine April 05 D4D 60K now, has shuddered since new. Every service I'm told all is normal and noise when cold all OK. About 20K throw out bearing was replaced but they didn't machine flywheel as I asked to stop shudder. I also had squealing on takeoff which I put down to spigot bearing but they could not fault it. Upon pickup I ask for someone to come for a drive with me, we didn't leave the dealer as squealing was very apparent. Amazing how they can hear and see problems when they are in your car with you. While waiting for parts I dropped my driveshaft on Pacific Hy. They left one bolt out of the centre bearing on shaft. Got towed back they were very apologetic. I could have got any loan car I wanted that day.Anyway new driveshaft, diff, spigot bearing and finally machined flywheel. About 5K later noise when cold in throwout again bad shudder mainly when and cold squealing again on takeof. In for 60K service to-morrow see how I go.
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Reply By: Ben - Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 16:58

Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 16:58
We had similar problems with our Townaces. We have four of them at work and they all do similar things.
The worst one had the clutch replaced at about 5oook's with little or no effect. Then the fly wheel was replaced, then the tail shaft then the gearbox. After it was all done the shutter went away for about 20000 km and then started again.
The worst time was slowing down going back down into 2nd gear and the shutter was violent.
I have no idea if this is the same thing or completly different. I dont really know what the problem was and if Toyota did they wouldnt tell.

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Reply By: TOB - Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 19:19

Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 at 19:19
Mate of mines blew up on his first trip before he got of bitumen. Read my post a few before this about his diff problems. You would have to be concerned.

TOB
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Follow Up By: trains - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 17:00

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 17:00
Chaps something to consider is this.
If your fed up with poor warranty results, take it to a clutch specalist.
Or your local mech, and ask them to do a coarser grind on your flywheel, and the pressure plate.

This can help "bed in" the clutch, and wear the high spots off the clutch plate (the disc with the friction material).
Often (but not in all cases), the shudder is a result of hardened glazed over high spots on the clutch plate that havnt been worn off in the bedding in process of normal driving when the car is new. Thus they are now glazed, and "shudder" instead of taking up smoothly.

Shudder can also be from friction material properties, particularly when they are damp and cold, and also from oil soaking, or overheating, which someone before mentioned slipping the clutch to heat it up.
I would not reccomend such action due to its results of glazing up and further irritating the problem.

I can appreciate the idea behind it, but in essence, your best off removing the clutch plate, sanding off the high spots that have glazed, (they will be obvious on the plate when its out), and then after deglazing the flywheel, and pressure plate, or doing a coarser grind on them putting the pressure plate back on, and ensuring the clutch spring fingers are all even, and not irregular, as this too can result in shudders as well.

Normal driving should bed in a properly setup clutch, if your really gentle with them, they can take some months to really bed in properly.

This might not fix your problems with warranties and the hoops the dealerships make you jump thru, but hopefully, you may understand whats going on a little better.

Trains
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