Using Tom-tom or equivalent as a back-up navigation in the outback

Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 02:58
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Hy there,
Just a newby question, does anyone have any experience with using a Tom-Tom navigation system (or equivalent) on outback trails? I assume the GPS satellites signal will be picked up by your system, what about the software (charts) any good?
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Gertjan (Gerty will do as well)
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 04:52

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 04:52
Hi there Gertjan,

TomTom, or an equivalent navigation system works very well in the metropolitan areas of the major Cities and Towns, but the reference maps do not have sufficient detail for outback travel.

The most common solution is a product called OziExplorer which, when used with detailed digital maps from NATMAP Raster or Hema Australia 4WD Raster Map collection (on DVD), will give you a moving map display as you travel, showing your exact position as picked up by the GPS, on the map display.

All products are available for purchase from the ExplorOz shop, or you can download the OziExplorer product from the Australian Website as a trial and purchase it at any time thereafter.

Have a look at OziExplorer for a detailed explanation and download access.

Versions are available to run on a Laptop PC (OziExplorer), or a PDA. (OziExplorer CE)

Some digital maps can be downloaded free at NATMAP Raster

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 05:04

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 05:04
Further reference can be accessed under "Search by Topic" on the left hand side of the display window. Click on Navigation and there are several topics available.

"GPS & Moving Map Navigation" & "Digital Navigation Tutorial" are two very good articles to read for more information.

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Reply By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:01

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:01
I use a PDA running both Tom Tom and OziExplorer CE. The Tom Tom still knows where it is in remoter areas but the mapping only has major tracks on it, so the little "where am I" arrow is travelling across a blank screen.

Tom Tom is fine for travelling between towns on main roads and a lot of minor roads but once you head down the bush tracks you are on your own.

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Pete

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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:13

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:13
for your information, I have seen a comparison of the Birdsville track coming into Birdsville.
The Natmap and Heema desert map series show the road about 200 to 300 metres different to the Whereis maps. The Whereis maps are produced by Sensis and used in the UBDs, and onsold to various other city mapping navigators like Tom Tom.

Tom Tom and other programmes are good for city and semi populated areas. I use Copilot on my PDA around town and in major areas. It does show every road, as you would expect coming from the same people as UBD. The NAtmaps e.g. 1:250,000 series only show the main roads in these areas, and I have been on roads that don't show on the 1:250,000 but show on Copilot.

I also have been on roads out west that has the Natmap series on one map showing me on the road, and another map showing me over 500 metres off the road. This is because the Natmap series like the 1:250,000, 1:1,000,000 and 1:25,000 are digital information taken from various sources, at VARIOUS DATES. Just as important in digital mapping to look at the date of the information as it is with a paper map. I always check the date on the bottom of the map to see how old it is. MY 1:250,000 maps vary from the mid 80s to only a couple of years old. My 1:25,000 Qld series can have some dated to the 70s.

The UBD maps you know are reasonably up to date (maybe 3 years out of date max), but may be unreliable (varies where you are) in remote areas . However, the Heema desert series maps have had a lot of work put into them by Heema, including field checking. The tracks they have checked are usually shown in purple on the map.
But the Heema maps are touring maps and the 1:250,000 Natmaps are drawn to a scale, so the cartographer makes decisions as to what to include and what to exclude, not every little track is shown. That's why there is 1:250,000, 1:100,000 and 1:25,000 series maps. Lines have to be more than 0.3mm thivk, and text larger than 2.5mm in height, and if all is shown, you wouldn't be able to read the 1:250,000 maps from the clutter.

Jees, sorry, didn't realise I was getting so verbose. Hope you get the idea. Problem with being a draughtsman, using maps all of the time, and just at the moment I am trying to sort out a site from various map sources with just a little bit of fustration.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:22

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:22
Forgot to mention, I am running copilot and my various Natmaps and Heema maps on my PDA in the car (Oziexplorer CE), and on my laptop for route planning (Oziexplorer). My need of maps is subsidised by my business, so I have a good few hundred dollars worth of digital maps. (Yes, I have to admit to an addiction to maps, I will spend hours looking at maps.) Cost of buying maps is another issue for private use. Oziexplorer doesn't incude maps. There are some available for free.
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Reply By: Skippy In The GU - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:33

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 08:33
Hi Gertjan, when you say "as a back-up navigation" what else are you using?

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Follow Up By: Member - Gertjan R (Int) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 16:34

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 16:34
Hi Skippy.

Thanx for your reply. Here in Europe I'm using a fairly simple GPS system which gives me X and Y coordinates and I plot these (by hand) in a map. As I'm planning a ten week trip to Australia (Melbourne to Darwin. Up the South-East coast, turn left @ Rockhampton, do the Centre bit, turn right @ Port Hedland, Up the North-West coast), I'm looking at a way to spoil myself. ;-)
I'm not too keen on using high-tech bleep , it always f***-up when you need it most. Tom-tom or equivalent is ready available and proven technology, therefore relieable. I actualy wonder if you can set your user preferences in such manner that it gives you a X-Y coordinate. Must try that later today.
OK for now, CU.

Gertjan.
(Tried to upload a picture of my car, doesn't seem to work. Volkwagen Golf-Country. 1991. perm. 4WD)
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Follow Up By: Skippy In The GU - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 18:50

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 18:50
Hello again Gertjan,

Your GPS will work here but you might have to change the datum to WGS 84 to work properly along with our map calibrations. I think :-( .

Tom Tom Version 6 should work but might not take you the best and quickest route when travelling in the centre of Australia.

If your running a PDA it's worth getting Oziexplorer CE and run the Hema Desert Maps or the 250k map of Australia.

It will be a good idea to buy paper maps as well, just set your GPS to the correct datum on that map.

A better way is to buy a laptop. If your using a Garmin GPS you can download Tracks for Australia or run the raster maps onto your laptop and use the moving map feature.

There are so many different options

As to uploading your photo make sure it's less than 600 x 400 pixels.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 08:38

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 08:38
My RoadAngel 600 tells me my Lat an Long when I'm not navigating, but my experience in the Rural Fire Service is that 4 out of 5 times people will get it wrong when plotting a DegMinSec position onto a map.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gertjan R (Int) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 16:21

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 16:21
Hi there,

Thanks to you all for your information, really helped. I must admid that I had bought the Hema desert maps, digitaly and hard-copy (from exploroz) but never realised that they could be fed into a PDA. Therefore, next problem will be what to buy, another boy-toy.
Gosh, this car will look like an electronics showroom by the time I'm finished with it!
OK serious, all PDAs here in Europe have Windows mobile-5 as an OS, I wonder if that will work with oziexplorer ce

Once again thank to y'all

CU.

Gertjan.
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